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Old 10-06-2021, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Aaronyeger View Post
You are probably the dude that calls a game over after the other team score on the first drive of the game.

I don't get why all these guys on here from bigger and better airlines feel the need to jump on and crap on guys making less with a lower QOL. It's not Jetblue it's not Delta we get it, but why does it matter? How could anyone here sit there and say what's right for someone who they have never met? The airline I'm currently at is miles better than mesa, does that mean I should get on a mesa board and start crapping on them?
A rising tide lifts all boats. And the converse is true. When someone else comes in and brings down industry 190/195/223 rates, it affects everyone else in negotiations. Just like when Eagle held strong and didn’t accept a concessionary contract, then PSA accepted that same crap contract, everyone got ****ed at PSA. That, and everyone else has to compete against your business that pays substandard wages and therefore has an unfair edge. It’s just another one of those “race to the bottom” things, with “we are just a struggling start up” as the excuse. Same historical playbook. Just writing a new chapter for what should be the second volume of Flying the Line. Don’t fault people for going there. It’s better than a regional. But big picture, kind of screws the industry.
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Old 10-06-2021, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by colonials13 View Post
For the logbook review, did you send last
page totals? Instructions weren’t clear. Awaiting answer from recruiter. Thanks.
Anyone?
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Old 10-06-2021, 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
A rising tide lifts all boats. And the converse is true. When someone else comes in and brings down industry 190/195/223 rates, it affects everyone else in negotiations. Just like when Eagle held strong and didn’t accept a concessionary contract, then PSA accepted that same crap contract, everyone got ****ed at PSA. That, and everyone else has to compete against your business that pays substandard wages and therefore has an unfair edge. It’s just another one of those “race to the bottom” things, with “we are just a struggling start up” as the excuse. Same historical playbook. Just writing a new chapter for what should be the second volume of Flying the Line. Don’t fault people for going there. It’s better than a regional. But big picture, kind of screws the industry.
Latest great example of pattern bargaining is the Atlas arbitration. The company used Mesa as a "comparable" because they now have 737 flying, and obviously their contract is total trash.

Accepting sub-standard contracts hinders the whole industry, not just your own airline. So when someone like Breeze comes up and flies mainline equipment at regional pay, yes, everyone can and should be slightly miffed by it. Next time jetBlue negotiates, they will use Breeze as their comparator.
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Old 10-06-2021, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by dera View Post
latest great example of pattern bargaining is the atlas arbitration. The company used mesa as a "comparable" because they now have 737 flying, and obviously their contract is total trash.

Accepting sub-standard contracts hinders the whole industry, not just your own airline. So when someone like breeze comes up and flies mainline equipment at regional pay, yes, everyone can and should be slightly miffed by it. Next time jetblue negotiates, they will use breeze as their comparator.

but 12 year payyyyy
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Old 10-06-2021, 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH View Post
One thing is very evident from this thread. You breezy boys are SUPER defensive to ANY criticism of your super amazing new airline. Even pilots at what are considered the “top airlines” have critiques and are always looking for more. I guess breeze saw y’all coming.
*Cough* bunch of skywest people *CoUggHhh*
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH View Post
but 12 year payyyyy
I don't know why anyone would go to UPS for such trash pay. 50k????? To fly the back side of the clock??? Not to mention they are bringing the entire industry down with that trash pay. PSA is paying more than that!!!
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot75 View Post
I don't know why anyone would go to UPS for such trash pay. 50k????? To fly the back side of the clock??? Not to mention they are bringing the entire industry down with that trash pay. PSA is paying more than that!!!
You're bringing UPS into this? Bold strategy lol
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy View Post
A rising tide lifts all boats. And the converse is true. When someone else comes in and brings down industry 190/195/223 rates, it affects everyone else in negotiations. Just like when Eagle held strong and didn’t accept a concessionary contract, then PSA accepted that same crap contract, everyone got ****ed at PSA. That, and everyone else has to compete against your business that pays substandard wages and therefore has an unfair edge. It’s just another one of those “race to the bottom” things, with “we are just a struggling start up” as the excuse. Same historical playbook. Just writing a new chapter for what should be the second volume of Flying the Line. Don’t fault people for going there. It’s better than a regional. But big picture, kind of screws the industry.
Well I'm not a David Neeleman simp or a Breeze fan boy. Hopefully I can be one of the dudes that fights for the company to move in the right direction. However while I'm doing that I'll be chillin at home with no overnights cause it's what works for me. While I agree some of the guys on here are defending the company a little to much, I also think there are some people on here coming at Breeze pilots a little hard.

Side note, people who get on here and feel the need to correct simple grammatical errors to sound smarter weren't hugs as children, change my mind.
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by labbats View Post
Or I am probably the guy who worked under Breeze’s current management when they did what they did at my current airline.

Do what you want… but don’t say you weren’t warned.
PM me if you don't mind I'd like to hear more about that for sure.
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by AUpilot75 View Post
I don't know why anyone would go to UPS for such trash pay. 50k????? To fly the back side of the clock??? Not to mention they are bringing the entire industry down with that trash pay. PSA is paying more than that!!!
What does a 2nd year and beyond UPS pilot make? More than any breeze pilot will make for the next decade on your current pay scales. Just goes to show how out of touch you guys are. Fwiw though, that’s not how contract comparisons and pattern bargaining go. First year pay is almost irrelevant. It’s the other 11-14 that matter. Bravo to the breeze recruiters though. Your crew meals could literally be a turd sandwich and some of y’all will find a way to defend it and talk it up.
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