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10-11-2021, 02:42 PM
#1861
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Originally Posted by Clear left
Does anyone know how long it’s currently taking to hear back after the video interview?I did mine last week.
10-11-2021, 07:35 PM
#1863
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Joined APC: Oct 2017
Posts: 262
Originally Posted by Hiatus
Any intel on upcoming classes? When and how many? How frequently too. Where is training located for A220?
not sure where 220 training will be next year.
10-12-2021, 02:34 AM
#1864
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Originally Posted by Tpinks
So it’s ok for Allegiant to be the most profitable carrier at the expense of being the lowest paid A32x operator?
You are right, it was industry leading for all of 6 or so months until Delta leaped over, and then United, American, Spirit, Jetblue and Frontier… A true industry leading contract would have been one that would have remained relevant with everyone else’s contract.
Allegiant may be negotiating now, but so is every other operator except for Spirit and Frontier who still have 1 and 2 years respectively remaining on their CBA’s.
So if Allegiant pulls the trigger first and only just tops the current end of contract rates others have, when everyone else pulls the trigger immediately after, they are still back at the bottom.
Here’s the difference though, instead of wishing ill on those pilots like everyone is doing on breeze pilots, I hope they get a true industry leading contract just like I would hope they would hope for Breeze pilots.
Riiiight. Except we have only increased our A220 order and our delivery schedule is maxed out by the current A220 production line in the US. The only delay in A220 deliveries came when they delayed the launch of the airline and that was accomplished by swapping delivery slots with JetBlue.
The only new plane Allegiant has ever taken delivery of was the end of the line A320CEO’s… your expecting me to believe they are looking at brand new planes that would be a second fleet type at that airline that are still at the beginning of the their production cycle?
You are right, it was industry leading for all of 6 or so months until Delta leaped over, and then United, American, Spirit, Jetblue and Frontier… A true industry leading contract would have been one that would have remained relevant with everyone else’s contract.
Allegiant may be negotiating now, but so is every other operator except for Spirit and Frontier who still have 1 and 2 years respectively remaining on their CBA’s.
So if Allegiant pulls the trigger first and only just tops the current end of contract rates others have, when everyone else pulls the trigger immediately after, they are still back at the bottom.
Here’s the difference though, instead of wishing ill on those pilots like everyone is doing on breeze pilots, I hope they get a true industry leading contract just like I would hope they would hope for Breeze pilots.
Riiiight. Except we have only increased our A220 order and our delivery schedule is maxed out by the current A220 production line in the US. The only delay in A220 deliveries came when they delayed the launch of the airline and that was accomplished by swapping delivery slots with JetBlue.
The only new plane Allegiant has ever taken delivery of was the end of the line A320CEO’s… your expecting me to believe they are looking at brand new planes that would be a second fleet type at that airline that are still at the beginning of the their production cycle?
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
Last edited by sailingfun; 10-12-2021 at 03:06 AM.
10-12-2021, 07:14 AM
#1865
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Joined APC: May 2016
Posts: 1,013
Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates don’t have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
Yes, our contract needs work, but when it was signed in 2015, the environment was very different than today, and movement at Allegiant was very different than it was at Delta back then (i.e. FOs were upgrading to captain in desirable bases in 12 months, little to no reserve, etc). Things are very different today and things look very favorable for us to receive a great contract.
10-12-2021, 07:44 AM
#1866
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Posts: 71
Breeze Airways interview
Hello Everyone!
I have a video interview with Breeze Airways. I was wondering if any of you all could PM with what they asked you and what I should study to prepare for the interview. I appreciate all your help!
Thanks again,
duckman
I have a video interview with Breeze Airways. I was wondering if any of you all could PM with what they asked you and what I should study to prepare for the interview. I appreciate all your help!
Thanks again,
duckman
10-12-2021, 09:23 AM
#1868
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,269
[Breeze] Airways
Originally Posted by sailingfun
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates don’t have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area that’s critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiant’s is not just low it’s absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
A race to the bottom huh?
Spirit pilots risked it all when they went on strike in 2010 to improve their contract. When’s the last time Delta pilots took the walk? Once the strike was over they were paid higher than their peers at United and had qol provisions that were arguably better than the legacies. Then for contract 2018 not only were we sued by management after a really ugly 3 years of negotiations but we managed to obtain a 43% pay raise (largest in history by a US 121 carrier I believe), a 401k dc comparable to the legacy airlines, health care and QOL that many think is better than their legacy counterparts. Granted there is still room to improve and raise the bar but to call it a race to the bottom is ignorant and elitist. Also last time I checked all of Spirit and Allegiant’s flying is done in house by seniority list pilots and not farmed out to sub contractor regionals…
Not really sure about the history of allegiant but I’m sure they fought hard for what they have and will continue to do so. So please explain again how this is a race to the bottom?
Get off your high horse and take your blinders off. The elitist attitude of certain pilot groups needs to end.
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