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Old 10-11-2021, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Clear left View Post
Does anyone know how long itís currently taking to hear back after the video interview?I did mine last week.
Took about a week for me and they sent a request for log book copies. Waiting to hear more about next steps.
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Old 10-11-2021, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by skruts View Post
How senior is CHS going?
awarded to new hires on the last base bid.
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Old 10-11-2021, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Hiatus View Post
Any intel on upcoming classes? When and how many? How frequently too. Where is training located for A220?
one or more per month. 10 per class.

not sure where 220 training will be next year.
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Old 10-12-2021, 02:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tpinks View Post
So itís ok for Allegiant to be the most profitable carrier at the expense of being the lowest paid A32x operator?

You are right, it was industry leading for all of 6 or so months until Delta leaped over, and then United, American, Spirit, Jetblue and FrontierÖ A true industry leading contract would have been one that would have remained relevant with everyone elseís contract.

Allegiant may be negotiating now, but so is every other operator except for Spirit and Frontier who still have 1 and 2 years respectively remaining on their CBAís.
So if Allegiant pulls the trigger first and only just tops the current end of contract rates others have, when everyone else pulls the trigger immediately after, they are still back at the bottom.

Hereís the difference though, instead of wishing ill on those pilots like everyone is doing on breeze pilots, I hope they get a true industry leading contract just like I would hope they would hope for Breeze pilots.


Riiiight. Except we have only increased our A220 order and our delivery schedule is maxed out by the current A220 production line in the US. The only delay in A220 deliveries came when they delayed the launch of the airline and that was accomplished by swapping delivery slots with JetBlue.

The only new plane Allegiant has ever taken delivery of was the end of the line A320CEOísÖ your expecting me to believe they are looking at brand new planes that would be a second fleet type at that airline that are still at the beginning of the their production cycle?
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates donít have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area thatís critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiantís is not just low itís absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.

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Old 10-12-2021, 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates donít have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area thatís critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiantís is not just low itís absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.
Not sure where you get this Information from, but Allegiant absolutely does break out its Airline earnings from other earnings. We are a publicly traded company and all of the financial information is available. That is true of all airlines (except for Frontier until their IPO), and we all report the same information . Any analysis that leaves Allegiant out from most profitable likely did it because they only included the legacy carriers + SW. Otherwise, our average ticket revenues are $126 each way (up 10% since 2019). Ancillary revenue was $62 (up 15% since 2019). As the ancillary revenue includes the hotel and car rental commissions on top of the bag fees, the highlighted profits you mention represent a small amount of our overall revenue. Yes, these revenues are the most high profit margin items, but so is AA's sale of billions of miles to citi bank, etc.

Yes, our contract needs work, but when it was signed in 2015, the environment was very different than today, and movement at Allegiant was very different than it was at Delta back then (i.e. FOs were upgrading to captain in desirable bases in 12 months, little to no reserve, etc). Things are very different today and things look very favorable for us to receive a great contract.
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:44 AM
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Hello Everyone!

I have a video interview with Breeze Airways. I was wondering if any of you all could PM with what they asked you and what I should study to prepare for the interview. I appreciate all your help!

Thanks again,
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Old 10-12-2021, 07:54 AM
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Is this a Breeze forum or Allegiant? Nobody cares how big or small your sausage is at Allegiant.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
I am not sure where you get your information but most of what you post is false. First on Allegiant being the most profitable airline there is zero to support that. Allegiant does not report the airlines true profits of break them out from the parent companies results. No one knows what Allegiant makes. Estimates donít have it nearly the most profitable on any basis.
As far as pilot pay Allegiant has not just lagged but severely lagged the industry. There is not a single year where they led the industry or even close. In many years the made half what the majors made and jet blue generally makes 50% more. You seem to not understand the value of soft money in a pilot contract. Your claims about leapfrogging everyone in 2016 are simply not true as Delta had already reached a tentative contract agreement months before Allegiant setting new highs for pilot pay and Allegiant did not come near those rates. In addition that TA at Delta was voted down and higher rates were quickly achieved.
The next area thatís critical in a contract is the benefit package. Allegiantís is not just low itís absurdly low. In 2019 the last year with full reporting it was 12,000 per pilot. The Majors including SWA and JetBlue were above 60,000 and that does not include profit sharing. Overall it appears Allegiant and Spirit have been racing each other to be dead last in total pilot compensation.
Here is a statement on where Allegiant actually makes its money.
The commissions that it earns is what makes Allegiant Air different from other airlines. They make profits from selling hotel rooms, rental cars, even Everglades boat tours and theme-park tickets. Not only that but they also get people to attend sales presentations for townhouses or condominiums.

A race to the bottom huh?

Spirit pilots risked it all when they went on strike in 2010 to improve their contract. Whenís the last time Delta pilots took the walk? Once the strike was over they were paid higher than their peers at United and had qol provisions that were arguably better than the legacies. Then for contract 2018 not only were we sued by management after a really ugly 3 years of negotiations but we managed to obtain a 43% pay raise (largest in history by a US 121 carrier I believe), a 401k dc comparable to the legacy airlines, health care and QOL that many think is better than their legacy counterparts. Granted there is still room to improve and raise the bar but to call it a race to the bottom is ignorant and elitist. Also last time I checked all of Spirit and Allegiantís flying is done in house by seniority list pilots and not farmed out to sub contractor regionalsÖ

Not really sure about the history of allegiant but Iím sure they fought hard for what they have and will continue to do so. So please explain again how this is a race to the bottom?

Get off your high horse and take your blinders off. The elitist attitude of certain pilot groups needs to end.
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Old 10-12-2021, 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Naviator View Post
one or more per month. 10 per class.

not sure where 220 training will be next year.
MontrealÖ.
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Old 10-12-2021, 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by TeeKay421 View Post
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Where is it now? Are interviews that are happening now staffing for classes next year?
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