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Old 01-13-2022, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Irishblackbird View Post
How many pilots has Delta hired without a degree, not including flows? Yes they changed the requirement to have a degree to apply, but that doesn't mean they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel yet.
Exactly, there’s thousands of 135 and 91 guys applying for the majors as well. Even though there’s a shortage there’s still a lot of talent out there.
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Old 01-13-2022, 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Irishblackbird View Post
How many pilots has Delta hired without a degree, not including flows? Yes they changed the requirement to have a degree to apply, but that doesn't mean they are scrapping the bottom of the barrel yet.
If they are changing a requirement, it is because they do not have the applicant pool they want, period.
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Old 01-13-2022, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest View Post
If they are changing a requirement, it is because they do not have the applicant pool they want, period.
Remember, Delta just gave Endeavor a flow that does not require a degree (yes at first it was a flow for those on property as of whatever date it was back in June or July of 2021 so they could keep flying their 35 RJs, but now there is now a flow for everyone). It only makes sense that they align their published qualifications to the standard they set in agreeing to that flow, because otherwise how can you justify requiring off the street new hires from whatever regional it may be needing to have a degree, but new hires from the Endeavor flow, not needing a degree. Now yes, you could still argue that the reason why they finally gave in, and gave Endeavor a flow is because Delta doesn't have the applicant pool they want, but beyond that, I really think people are reading into the degree thing too much. There are plenty of perfectly good pilots that have gotten turned down from Delta that have a degree. Also, why is Delta even being discussed again on a Breeze thread? They are in different leagues, you can't compare the two. They're not even competing on the same routes, or passengers, or anything.
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Old 01-13-2022, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua View Post
Remember, Delta just gave Endeavor a flow that does not require a degree (yes at first it was a flow for those on property as of whatever date it was back in June or July of 2021 so they could keep flying their 35 RJs, but now there is now a flow for everyone). It only makes sense that they align their published qualifications to the standard they set in agreeing to that flow, because otherwise how can you justify requiring off the street new hires from whatever regional it may be needing to have a degree, but new hires from the Endeavor flow, not needing a degree. Now yes, you could still argue that the reason why they finally gave in, and gave Endeavor a flow is because Delta doesn't have the applicant pool they want, but beyond that, I really think people are reading into the degree thing too much. There are plenty of perfectly good pilots that have gotten turned down from Delta that have a degree. Also, why is Delta even being discussed again on a Breeze thread? They are in different leagues, you can't compare the two. They're not even competing on the same routes, or passengers, or anything.
The reason I bring up Delta and the other legacies is because if they are terrified at where they are going to find applicants, where do you think Breeze is going to get applicants?
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Old 01-13-2022, 07:47 PM
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The reason I bring up Delta and the other legacies is because if they are terrified at where they are going to find applicants, where do you think Breeze is going to get applicants?
If the legacy airlines are worried about getting applicants, why do they still have cog tests, hogan tests, personality assessments, etc, etc before you even get to do the interview? Hell even Spirit has people do a personality assessment before they interview, and AA has a big banner on their careers page that all new hires need to show proof of covid vaccination because of "a federal vaccine mandate for American Airlines", even though no such thing exists anymore, and never even went into effect, yet they're still using it to weed applicants out. The people applying for legacy airlines, or even the LCCs have mostly been flying transport category aircraft at the regionals where any jit with 1500 hours in a 100 series Cessna can apply and is given an interview, and most likely a CJO assuming they aren't a complete dumbass. Hell, there's guys out there that bought a 152 and flew around for 1500 hours, didn't even bother with the CFI, then applied to regionals and got hired to fly *insert your favorite legacy*'s passengers on flights branded and sold as being of the mainline carrier in a transport category aircraft that has the same performance as any equipment the mainline airline operates. Most passengers have no idea of what Endeavor or Skywest or PSA or Envoy or Air Wisconsin even are when they fly, they see that flight as being part of the company they booked their travel on. If they really wanted to hire pilots the regional airlines would just be absorbed into the mainline partners and people would be allowed to bid to whatever their seniority could hold. The legacy airlines still want to control who gets to work in the big leagues more than they want to control who works for the B-team, and right now that's still more important than filling mainline flight decks. Breeze will find applicants from those that decide they rather work at Breeze than somewhere else.
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Old 01-13-2022, 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MinRest View Post
The reason I bring up Delta and the other legacies is because if they are terrified at where they are going to find applicants, where do you think Breeze is going to get applicants?
Australia…..
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Old 01-13-2022, 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage View Post
Australia…..
Realistically, how many of them are they actually gonna get? Didn't some other airlines have a similar thing? From 2016 to 2020 of constant flying during "pilot shortage" v1.0 I don't think I ever heard an Australian accent on the radio, that wasn't from Qantas. The only Australian I ever even saw, anywhere, was a DL FA who on the O dark thirty van ride to the airport from the hotel had to make her support for gun control known, and was promptly shut down by one of our female pilots. But who knows, maybe some of them who have just gotten punched in the balls about the realities of totalitarian government with no meaningful opposition, might jump at the opportunity to come here. Still, I think you have to be delusional if you believe Breeze is going to be able to staff their entire airline with Australians.
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Old 01-14-2022, 02:34 AM
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Australia…..

I look at Australians as refugees trying to escape tyranny! Kind of feel bad for them😢
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Old 01-14-2022, 02:59 AM
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I look at Australians as refugees trying to escape tyranny! Kind of feel bad for them😢
I look at them like I look at Californians moving to Texas or New Yorkers moving to Florida. So long as they don’t try to australia my America I’m ok with them.
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Old 01-14-2022, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua View Post
If the legacy airlines are worried about getting applicants, why do they still have cog tests, hogan tests, personality assessments, etc, etc before you even get to do the interview? Hell even Spirit has people do a personality assessment before they interview, and AA has a big banner on their careers page that all new hires need to show proof of covid vaccination because of "a federal vaccine mandate for American Airlines", even though no such thing exists anymore, and never even went into effect, yet they're still using it to weed applicants out. The people applying for legacy airlines, or even the LCCs have mostly been flying transport category aircraft at the regionals where any jit with 1500 hours in a 100 series Cessna can apply and is given an interview, and most likely a CJO assuming they aren't a complete dumbass. Hell, there's guys out there that bought a 152 and flew around for 1500 hours, didn't even bother with the CFI, then applied to regionals and got hired to fly *insert your favorite legacy*'s passengers on flights branded and sold as being of the mainline carrier in a transport category aircraft that has the same performance as any equipment the mainline airline operates. Most passengers have no idea of what Endeavor or Skywest or PSA or Envoy or Air Wisconsin even are when they fly, they see that flight as being part of the company they booked their travel on. If they really wanted to hire pilots the regional airlines would just be absorbed into the mainline partners and people would be allowed to bid to whatever their seniority could hold. The legacy airlines still want to control who gets to work in the big leagues more than they want to control who works for the B-team, and right now that's still more important than filling mainline flight decks. Breeze will find applicants from those that decide they rather work at Breeze than somewhere else.

The legacies still want quality applicants. These companies would rather build a pilot from nothing than to hire some jack ass with 3 DUIs and a bunch of Checkride failures. You’ll never see somebody like that go to a legacy. These companies can only lower standards so much. Maybe that’s what Breeze will end up hiring eventually but really, these craptastic airline startups are getting the scraps big time.
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