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Old 01-15-2022, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose View Post
With the current rate of attrition you might hold it either out of training or on your second month.
How much attrition? Jumping a sinking ship? It was mentioned earlier that there was a 2.5 hour 3 day due to a charter. I think a reply to that was sarcastic, but what are the rules in terms of min day, block or better, etc.

I know its a startup and all, but the competition is crazy right now and a great market for pilots. Why should anyone apply to Breeze when there are so many options?
Seniority? Opportunity for growth? Start up environment?
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Old 01-15-2022, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Junglejuice View Post
How much attrition? Jumping a sinking ship? It was mentioned earlier that there was a 2.5 hour 3 day due to a charter. I think a reply to that was sarcastic, but what are the rules in terms of min day, block or better, etc.

I know its a startup and all, but the competition is crazy right now and a great market for pilots. Why should anyone apply to Breeze when there are so many options?
Seniority? Opportunity for growth? Start up environment?
they will have fifty bases in two years
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Old 01-15-2022, 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Junk= highest dispatch reliability in its class and lowest fuel burn. There is a reason two of the most successful and fastest growing airlines in the world operate them exclusively.
Just in case you are talking about SWA and Ryanair:
Neither are nowhere close to being the fastest growing in the last decade, and:
https://fortune.com/2021/11/01/ryana...-price-airbus/
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Old 01-15-2022, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by symbian simian View Post
Just in case you are talking about SWA and Ryanair:
Neither are nowhere close to being the fastest growing in the last decade, and:
https://fortune.com/2021/11/01/ryana...-price-airbus/
wait, so Boeing prices are delusional but Allegiant got them for next to nothing?? Which is it?

just flew on an A321NEO. News Flash. It is not as quiet as you think. In coach you are still crammed together and the engines still make noise. Noise that is just as loud as any other aircraft in it class. Now turbo props are loud.

oh and the people that run the airline care a lot about dispatch reliability. Not if the pilots have a tray table. Oh and I almost forgot passengers have no idea what they are flying on so they don’t oh an Airbus is going to be quiet and comfortable!! I am sure Spirit passengers are saying just that between fist fights.
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Old 01-15-2022, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer View Post
wait, so Boeing prices are delusional but Allegiant got them for next to nothing?? Which is it?

just flew on an A321NEO. News Flash. It is not as quiet as you think. In coach you are still crammed together and the engines still make noise. Noise that is just as loud as any other aircraft in it class. Now turbo props are loud.

oh and the people that run the airline care a lot about dispatch reliability. Not if the pilots have a tray table. Oh and I almost forgot passengers have no idea what they are flying on so they don’t oh an Airbus is going to be quiet and comfortable!! I am sure Spirit passengers are saying just that between fist fights.
The only pilots who actually enjoy flying a 737 either haven't flown an airbus or they have Stockholm syndrome.
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Old 01-15-2022, 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer View Post
wait, so Boeing prices are delusional but Allegiant got them for next to nothing?? Which is it?

just flew on an A321NEO. News Flash. It is not as quiet as you think. In coach you are still crammed together and the engines still make noise. Noise that is just as loud as any other aircraft in it class. Now turbo props are loud.

oh and the people that run the airline care a lot about dispatch reliability. Not if the pilots have a tray table. Oh and I almost forgot passengers have no idea what they are flying on so they don’t oh an Airbus is going to be quiet and comfortable!! I am sure Spirit passengers are saying just that between fist fights.
You must not ride in the back much….drive to work I bet.
Your delusional if you think passengers on Alaskan Airways dont know the difference between a 737 and an Airbus. The planes are very different. If nothing else at least the Airbus can hold a constant temperature.
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Old 01-15-2022, 09:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Junglejuice View Post
How much attrition? Jumping a sinking ship? It was mentioned earlier that there was a 2.5 hour 3 day due to a charter. I think a reply to that was sarcastic, but what are the rules in terms of min day, block or better, etc.

I know its a startup and all, but the competition is crazy right now and a great market for pilots. Why should anyone apply to Breeze when there are so many options?
Seniority? Opportunity for growth? Start up environment?
Many FO’s are looking to leave. The CA’s seem to be content enough to endure the suck. Work rules are a theory here at the moment. I wasn't joking about the charters. The scheduling committee did the math… 1:54 hr average per day on the charters next month. That’s straight up what you’re making here. No rigs. No min day. Don’t expect to break guarantee as a junior lineholder unless you sacrifice one of your 11 days off. Even then it’s a 3 hour 3 day… not worth it AT ALL
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Old 01-15-2022, 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Craknacoldie View Post
Obviously it's a rapidly changing environment at Breeze but any guestimate on how long it would take a new hire Ejet FO to hold TPA? Thanks
My guess? 9+ months assuming no attrition. High demand for TPA right now and none of the FO’s want to move out until they can hold it as a CA.
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Old 01-16-2022, 04:26 AM
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Originally Posted by snackysmores View Post
The only pilots who actually enjoy flying a 737 either haven't flown an airbus or they have Stockholm syndrome.
I have 5000 hours in the Airbus. Never actually flew it. Lots of managing however! I did have a friend who flew it for a hour when they ended up in direct law. Said it did not fly well! I enjoyed flying every Boeing I have worked. The 737 flew great, later models have better displays than the Airbus and the HUD was excellent. Cockpit was certainly smaller but I spent most of my time strangely enough seated! Copilots did have to spend about 20 extra seconds after engine start moving switches on the 737. Oh the horror!
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Old 01-16-2022, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by hotmicoffNOW View Post
Many FO’s are looking to leave. The CA’s seem to be content enough to endure the suck. Work rules are a theory here at the moment. I wasn't joking about the charters. The scheduling committee did the math… 1:54 hr average per day on the charters next month. That’s straight up what you’re making here. No rigs. No min day. Don’t expect to break guarantee as a junior lineholder unless you sacrifice one of your 11 days off. Even then it’s a 3 hour 3 day… not worth it AT ALL
Wow! How is there no min daily ? Surely these basic work rules are a must. Is there anything been done or communicated about improving these things ?
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