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04-22-2022, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Random Task
I wonder how many of the Westchester commercial flyers have status on UA/DL/AA and will make the drive in order to keep status for that family Athens trip next summer. Something flying Breeze won't help with.
04-22-2022, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by PotatoChip
The Westchester area is known for lots of people can’t afford legacy prices….
(joke).
(joke).
04-22-2022, 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Seneca Pilot
Yes there are wealthy people in Westchester County, but the median income there in 2019 was just over 42,000. The overwhelming majority everywhere in this country are normal people who will be looking for deals.
Would love to see similar routes from ISP, HVN, BDR, PVD, MHT, PSM and even ACY - again, just a few frequencies per week could work. They all have big O&D catchment areas that are near annoyingly stressful hubs. No way Avelo can offer the same West Coast routes out of HVN with their 737-700s.
ISP to LAX/BUR/SNA/ONT could be real winners to avoid chaotic JFK.
04-23-2022, 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
No way Avelo can offer the same West Coast routes out of HVN with their 737-700s.
04-23-2022, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
I think it has the potential to do very well in both directions - and it doesn’t have to be daily to succeed with the A220 economics.
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04-23-2022, 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose
The 220 isn’t going to satisfy Breezes needs. Apparently they’re already struggling to make “the numbers work” for the transcons with a full pay load, hence why the term “321XLR” is been thrown around by management. Who knows. but the 220 definitely can’t do what they thought it would.
Wouldn’t surprise me about the XLR talk. Neeleman operates plenty of mixed fleets at different airlines and he probably wants the flexibility.
04-23-2022, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by David Puddy
Without long range fuel tanks (not sure how many you need) like you find on the new VIP A220, getting back from Europe might be a challenge. Who knows. Flying westbound around the states “should” work but depends on a lot of factors including loads and winds as you know. If the flights prove popular, they will need to consider loads and performance. Time will tell if it works.
Wouldn’t surprise me about the XLR talk. Neeleman operates plenty of mixed fleets at different airlines and he probably wants the flexibility.
Wouldn’t surprise me about the XLR talk. Neeleman operates plenty of mixed fleets at different airlines and he probably wants the flexibility.
The 190's couldn't make money on their current routes that's why you see them start flying and a month or 2 later they pull out. Same thing is going to happen with this West coast flying, they cannot possibly make money flying these routes even with a full aircraft either way. I heard our break even factor at Spirit is around 70 pax on transcon routes.
04-23-2022, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose
The 220 isn’t going to satisfy Breezes needs. Apparently they’re already struggling to make “the numbers work” for the transcons with a full pay load, hence why the term “321XLR” is been thrown around by management. Who knows. but the 220 definitely can’t do what they thought it would.
04-23-2022, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
Do you actually believe what you're saying?? 321XLR's.....lol, they haven't even figured out how to operate the 220's they have let alone something bigger. Oh and the wait for any A320 variant is locked up until at least 2027.
The 190's couldn't make money on their current routes that's why you see them start flying and a month or 2 later they pull out. Same thing is going to happen with this West coast flying, they cannot possibly make money flying these routes even with a full aircraft either way. I heard our break even factor at Spirit is around 70 pax on transcon routes.
The 190's couldn't make money on their current routes that's why you see them start flying and a month or 2 later they pull out. Same thing is going to happen with this West coast flying, they cannot possibly make money flying these routes even with a full aircraft either way. I heard our break even factor at Spirit is around 70 pax on transcon routes.
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