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Old 06-30-2022, 10:41 PM
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So with all the cancelations, the company has decided to cancel pairings and put all the pilots on reserve for a 12 hour RAP instead of the pairing footprint.

additionally, they have junior manned people into additional flying by combining remaining flying and arenít paying anything extra for it in the form of critical pay or even junior manning pay.

Meanwhile CHS crews are being offered critical pay trips at 300% to do flying that the TPA base should have been doing while the rest of the pilots make straight pay while their entire schedules get crapped on.
Wow.. and when's the alpa vote?
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Old 07-01-2022, 06:22 AM
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So with all the cancelations, the company has decided to cancel pairings and put all the pilots on reserve for a 12 hour RAP instead of the pairing footprint.

additionally, they have junior manned people into additional flying by combining remaining flying and aren’t paying anything extra for it in the form of critical pay or even junior manning pay.

Meanwhile CHS crews are being offered critical pay trips at 300% to do flying that the TPA base should have been doing while the rest of the pilots make straight pay while their entire schedules get crapped on.
Wow if only you had a union.

Those who went to a non union startup carrier, knowing they could have their way with you, don't get the right to complain.

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Old 07-01-2022, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
Wow if only you had a union.

Those who went to a non union startup carrier, knowing they could have their way with you, don't get the right to complain.

"bUt sKYwESt tREaTEd uS sO gOOd!"
I think people expected a better outcome and more competent decision making. Avelo seems to be doing just fine, they recognized reality and did what they needed to do to remain competitive. Sucks things aren't going so well at Breeze.
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Old 07-01-2022, 07:32 AM
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I think people expected a better outcome and more competent decision making. Avelo seems to be doing just fine, they recognized reality and did what they needed to do to remain competitive. Sucks things aren't going so well at Breeze.
Breeze was trying (not very hard) to keep cheap labor until IPO at least. Theyíve already had over a year. And now they want one more. Itís not gonna happen. Time is up.
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Old 07-01-2022, 07:42 AM
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Breeze was trying (not very hard) to keep cheap labor until IPO at least. Theyíve already had over a year. And now they want one more. Itís not gonna happen. Time is up.
This is the best revenue environment ever for a startup. Breeze has shot themselves in the foot with all the delays.
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Old 07-01-2022, 07:46 AM
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Breeze was trying (not very hard) to keep cheap labor until IPO at least. Theyíve already had over a year. And now they want one more. Itís not gonna happen. Time is up.
Do you think they will ever get it turned around before running out of money? They have to be burning up cash at a ridiculous rate. They also seem to be attempting to expand too quickly which defies common sense given the current situation. Avelo on the other hand seems to have a much more realistic outlook on what's actually possible, and what kind of compensation and QOL they need to provide for people to stay there and give them a chance. I'd have thought by now that even if Breeze wasn't paying so well, they would make up for it in QOL, but they've done nothing but make QOL worse.
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Old 07-01-2022, 08:07 AM
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Do you think they will ever get it turned around before running out of money? They have to be burning up cash at a ridiculous rate. They also seem to be attempting to expand too quickly which defies common sense given the current situation. Avelo on the other hand seems to have a much more realistic outlook on what's actually possible, and what kind of compensation and QOL they need to provide for people to stay there and give them a chance. I'd have thought by now that even if Breeze wasn't paying so well, they would make up for it in QOL, but they've done nothing but make QOL worse.
Neelemanís in his wheelhouse when the pilot market is struggling. Thatís how JetBlue became what it is today. He could have it his way soon depending how the economy is moving forward. Right now though heís never had to deal with what weíre seeing now industrywide.
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Neelemanís in his wheelhouse when the pilot market is struggling. Thatís how JetBlue became what it is today. He could have it his way soon depending how the economy is moving forward. Right now though heís never had to deal with what weíre seeing now industrywide.
There have been stories from pilots who have talked to him and he said he is hoping for a bigger depression than what is expected.
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There have been stories from pilots who have talked to him and he said he is hoping for a bigger depression than what is expected.
Thatís exactly what allegiant management is praying for every day. Theyíre out of luck. This recession wonít mitigate the massive amount retirements at the legacies. They need a nuclear exchange to get what they desperately want.
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Old 07-01-2022, 10:05 AM
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Thatís exactly what allegiant management is praying for every day. Theyíre out of luck. This recession wonít mitigate the massive amount retirements at the legacies. They need a nuclear exchange to get what they desperately want.
This is what remains to be seen, I think. We haven't gotten to the Build Back Better food prices quite yet. Fall will tell the story of if people will continue to be able to afford travel or not. The last of the covid savings/stimulous are being spent this summer. Layoffs in other industries have already started, and last I read Q2 will also show a decline in GDP meaning we are officially in a recession already. We'll find out by January how much of a pilot shortage there is. At least it might give training a chance to catch up. If they get what they're hoping for like you said, we'll be in for another lost decade.
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