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08-23-2022, 07:39 PM
#3321
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 156
Originally Posted by Polyester
Thoughts on the Breeze Boost program? I'm at 1200 hrs, qualify for my R-ATP, and have already completed my CTP... Still need to knock out my ATP written.
08-24-2022, 05:54 AM
#3324
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jun 2014
Position: Deployed Reservist
Posts: 77
Getting back in. Norfolk resident.
Looking for a Breeze pilot to DM me. I live in Norfolk and can't move or commute for family reasons. I have 91/135 options, but I prefer airline resources and regularity. I've been called up in the reserves and still have 7 months before I can interview, so I'm weighing the options. 4500 hrs, Ex Lear-35, Air Wisconsin, CE560 contract.
08-24-2022, 06:31 AM
#3325
New Hire
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by AF2AL
Someone is definitely out of touch but it isn't me.
What exactly do you think that ALPA is going to do that isn't being done already? Do you think they're going to show up and automatically get us the new UPS rates?
Breeze has given raises at least every quarter if not more often. Work rules are improving all the time and leadership has shown that they're trying to communicate and work with the pilots in order to make it a place where people want to work.
I know that everyone with little experience thinks that ALPA is going to be some saving grace but that's not the way it works. The biggest factors when it comes to work rules and compensation, are the profitability of the company and the willingness of management to work with the pilots.
Take a look at all the companies represented by ALPA and you'll see everything from the best compensation/work rules (Delta, FedEx etc.) all the way down to the bottom of the barrel places to work (Swift, Mesa, Commutair, Western Global, etc.) and everything in between. If ALPA is the determining factor, why aren't Spirit and Frontier pilots making the same as Delta? Why has Mesa been a terrible place to work when they've had ALPA since the late 1980's?
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
What exactly do you think that ALPA is going to do that isn't being done already? Do you think they're going to show up and automatically get us the new UPS rates?
Breeze has given raises at least every quarter if not more often. Work rules are improving all the time and leadership has shown that they're trying to communicate and work with the pilots in order to make it a place where people want to work.
I know that everyone with little experience thinks that ALPA is going to be some saving grace but that's not the way it works. The biggest factors when it comes to work rules and compensation, are the profitability of the company and the willingness of management to work with the pilots.
Take a look at all the companies represented by ALPA and you'll see everything from the best compensation/work rules (Delta, FedEx etc.) all the way down to the bottom of the barrel places to work (Swift, Mesa, Commutair, Western Global, etc.) and everything in between. If ALPA is the determining factor, why aren't Spirit and Frontier pilots making the same as Delta? Why has Mesa been a terrible place to work when they've had ALPA since the late 1980's?
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
Last edited by sfplt; 08-24-2022 at 07:10 AM.
08-24-2022, 07:16 AM
#3326
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jan 2022
Posts: 298
Originally Posted by AF2AL
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
ALPA will be what our elected reps and pilot group make it. You’re clearly not on board with the majority of pilots here. From everything I can tell, you are quite possibly an A220 DEC, who was paid to sit at home for months while the line pilots that built this place were kicked while they were down. It doesn’t sound like you’ve been around very long, and what “nice, glorious items” have been given to you, was at the cost of the original pilots being treated like $hit. The BPC has no funding. NONE. It’s a volunteer group that mgmt laughs at. Management put that together with the thought of “that will keep the pilots busy and out of our hair”.
What big raises are you talking about? Each quarter… lol. The last raise was in February, effective March 1st. So we are almost 2 quarters past that with no raise. Since our “big raise”, regional carriers have started paying above us (AAWO carriers at $90 year 1 FO, not including the bonuses, DEC min guarantee of $246k year 1; now Commutair is paying only $3 per hour less than us to fly a 50 seat aircraft PLUS a bonus PLUS 16% 401k).
Anyway, yea we’ve had “big” raises here, as we sit $80-125 per hour below industry standard, with a 4% 401k match. Doesn’t sound like you were around last December when we so graciously received that monumental pay raise, I mean cut, where we got $6 per hour raise and they took away +30k a year profit sharing.
Like I said to begin with, all I can do is LOL
Last edited by bonvoyage; 08-24-2022 at 07:28 AM.
08-24-2022, 07:27 AM
#3327
New Hire
Joined APC: Jun 2022
Posts: 4
Originally Posted by Learjet FO
Looking for a Breeze pilot to DM me. I live in Norfolk and can't move or commute for family reasons. I have 91/135 options, but I prefer airline resources and regularity. I've been called up in the reserves and still have 7 months before I can interview, so I'm weighing the options. 4500 hrs, Ex Lear-35, Air Wisconsin, CE560 contract.
I DM’d you
08-24-2022, 11:48 AM
#3329
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2021
Posts: 184
Originally Posted by bonvoyage
All I can do is LOL.
ALPA will be what our elected reps and pilot group make it. You’re clearly not on board with the majority of pilots here. From everything I can tell, you are quite possibly an A220 DEC, who was paid to sit at home for months while the line pilots that built this place were kicked while they were down. It doesn’t sound like you’ve been around very long, and what “nice, glorious items” have been given to you, was at the cost of the original pilots being treated like $hit. The BPC has no funding. NONE. It’s a volunteer group that mgmt laughs at. Management put that together with the thought of “that will keep the pilots busy and out of our hair”.
What big raises are you talking about? Each quarter… lol. The last raise was in February, effective March 1st. So we are almost 2 quarters past that with no raise. Since our “big raise”, regional carriers have started paying above us (AAWO carriers at $90 year 1 FO, not including the bonuses, DEC min guarantee of $246k year 1; now Commutair is paying only $3 per hour less than us to fly a 50 seat aircraft PLUS a bonus PLUS 16% 401k).
Anyway, yea we’ve had “big” raises here, as we sit $80-125 per hour below industry standard, with a 4% 401k match. Doesn’t sound like you were around last December when we so graciously received that monumental pay raise, I mean cut, where we got $6 per hour raise and they took away +30k a year profit sharing.
Like I said to begin with, all I can do is LOL
ALPA will be what our elected reps and pilot group make it. You’re clearly not on board with the majority of pilots here. From everything I can tell, you are quite possibly an A220 DEC, who was paid to sit at home for months while the line pilots that built this place were kicked while they were down. It doesn’t sound like you’ve been around very long, and what “nice, glorious items” have been given to you, was at the cost of the original pilots being treated like $hit. The BPC has no funding. NONE. It’s a volunteer group that mgmt laughs at. Management put that together with the thought of “that will keep the pilots busy and out of our hair”.
What big raises are you talking about? Each quarter… lol. The last raise was in February, effective March 1st. So we are almost 2 quarters past that with no raise. Since our “big raise”, regional carriers have started paying above us (AAWO carriers at $90 year 1 FO, not including the bonuses, DEC min guarantee of $246k year 1; now Commutair is paying only $3 per hour less than us to fly a 50 seat aircraft PLUS a bonus PLUS 16% 401k).
Anyway, yea we’ve had “big” raises here, as we sit $80-125 per hour below industry standard, with a 4% 401k match. Doesn’t sound like you were around last December when we so graciously received that monumental pay raise, I mean cut, where we got $6 per hour raise and they took away +30k a year profit sharing.
Like I said to begin with, all I can do is LOL
08-24-2022, 12:13 PM
#3330
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 846
Originally Posted by AF2AL
Someone is definitely out of touch but it isn't me.
What exactly do you think that ALPA is going to do that isn't being done already? Do you think they're going to show up and automatically get us the new UPS rates?
Breeze has given raises at least every quarter if not more often. Work rules are improving all the time and leadership has shown that they're trying to communicate and work with the pilots in order to make it a place where people want to work.
I know that everyone with little experience thinks that ALPA is going to be some saving grace but that's not the way it works. The biggest factors when it comes to work rules and compensation, are the profitability of the company and the willingness of management to work with the pilots.
Take a look at all the companies represented by ALPA and you'll see everything from the best compensation/work rules (Delta, FedEx etc.) all the way down to the bottom of the barrel places to work (Swift, Mesa, Commutair, Western Global, etc.) and everything in between. If ALPA is the determining factor, why aren't Spirit and Frontier pilots making the same as Delta? Why has Mesa been a terrible place to work when they've had ALPA since the late 1980's?
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
What exactly do you think that ALPA is going to do that isn't being done already? Do you think they're going to show up and automatically get us the new UPS rates?
Breeze has given raises at least every quarter if not more often. Work rules are improving all the time and leadership has shown that they're trying to communicate and work with the pilots in order to make it a place where people want to work.
I know that everyone with little experience thinks that ALPA is going to be some saving grace but that's not the way it works. The biggest factors when it comes to work rules and compensation, are the profitability of the company and the willingness of management to work with the pilots.
Take a look at all the companies represented by ALPA and you'll see everything from the best compensation/work rules (Delta, FedEx etc.) all the way down to the bottom of the barrel places to work (Swift, Mesa, Commutair, Western Global, etc.) and everything in between. If ALPA is the determining factor, why aren't Spirit and Frontier pilots making the same as Delta? Why has Mesa been a terrible place to work when they've had ALPA since the late 1980's?
If management was unwilling to work with us and playing hardball, that would be completely different. Then I'd agree that a union is neccessary, but that's not even close to the way things are.
work rules also aren’t improving all the time either. The whole reassignment footprint improvement… that was agreed to back in March of 2022. The company sat on it for over 3 months until they finally screwed up the schedules enough in June that everyone was complaining and David made it a priority during his anti-union calls.
The company was presented 13 different items in January 2022 via a virtual meeting. They chose to enact one item from that meeting which was Min day. Min day was supposed to fix the issue for Charter pay but instead of giving us anything close to industry average they gave us 4hrs. Oh and our average daily credit for the trips we have been flying since launch has been between 6-6.5hrs. So our min-day was never meant to actually be a give to the pilots from the get go.
The pilot group was surveyed by the BPC and they said they wanted 85-90 hour lines to do the charter side… So what did they have to do? Increase the Charter MMG to 75hrs. And they thought with 75hrs, everyone would be fighting to get on the charter program and yet here we are with the charter fleet half staffed all with the most junior CAs and FOs flying into random places they have never been before.
it’s funny how your trying to compare an Alpa regional to an ALPA mainline when one carrier operates on a capped income basis while the other can make an infinite amount of money.
Profitability of the company is important, but the company won’t ever become profitable if they don’t actually spend the money they need to on their pilots to make them 1) come here to begin with and 2) make them stay for more than a few months before bouncing to UA/AA/DL.
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