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dawgdriver 06-18-2018 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2616911)
That would be easier. As long as enough CA's and instructors are willing to come with it. The paper can be sold, but the pilots don't HAVE to go with it...

Wanna attract pilots? Just announce hot flight attendant (females) wearing Go-Go boots and tight shorts. Don't laugh, it worked at SW for years! Many passed up legacies for the 'culture'. Can't imagine what those guys must be thinking now. lol.

rickair7777 06-18-2018 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 2616991)
Wanna attract pilots? Just announce hot flight attendant (females) wearing Go-Go boots and tight shorts. Don't laugh, it worked at SW for years! Many passed up legacies for the 'culture'. Can't imagine what those guys must be thinking now. lol.

If they offered very good QOL options, they could attract plenty of pilots, especially under 50. For a hard 21 days off/month, I'd consider it and take a pay cut too. Don't care what they do to me for the other ten days.

David Puddy 06-18-2018 05:56 PM


Originally Posted by Softpayman (Post 2616982)
I’d say the decision was between the CS300 and A320 NEO.... those to me are as comparable as E195 and CS300 are.

Neeleman knows a lot about the A320 NEO - Azul in Brazil operates plenty of them in addition to a large fleet of E195s. The CS300 has a better CASM and it is super versatile in terms of the airports it can serve.

SWISS is so pleased with the CSeries it compiled this list of facts/figures about its experience with it:

https://blog.swiss.com/en/2018/05/facts-figures-bombardier-c-series/

Qotsaautopilot 06-18-2018 06:19 PM

They will have zero issues finding pilots. Expressjet is about to implode as part of skywest’s long term union busting plan. That’s at least 1500 pilots. Eastern reboot found plenty and from the ones I’ve talked to that came to Spirit, many would’ve stayed at eastern if it hadn’t tanked

Speedbird2263 06-18-2018 08:11 PM

Azura Airways
 
I wonder if Azura Airways, the airline company he registered in Connecticut last year, is related to Moxy. Perhaps even one and the same, only time will tell.

Bozo the pilot 06-18-2018 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2616832)
Did you original posters even read the article or even know who Neeleman is?

This has nothing to do with jb...

Na- Theyre too busy grinding axes and looking for black helicopters. :rolleyes:

sailingfun 06-19-2018 04:13 AM


Originally Posted by dawgdriver (Post 2616991)
Wanna attract pilots? Just announce hot flight attendant (females) wearing Go-Go boots and tight shorts. Don't laugh, it worked at SW for years! Many passed up legacies for the 'culture'. Can't imagine what those guys must be thinking now. lol.

Probably thinking about the millions in stock they hold!

rickair7777 06-19-2018 05:18 AM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2617015)
They will have zero issues finding pilots. Expressjet is about to implode as part of skywest’s long term union busting plan. That’s at least 1500 pilots. Eastern reboot found plenty and from the ones I’ve talked to that came to Spirit, many would’ve stayed at eastern if it hadn’t tanked

If the timing's right. But if he's not ready to hire, those 1500 will get snapped up within a year or less elsewhere (except maybe the worst scrapings from the bottom of the barrel, but that's not what you want at a startup anyway).

I never said he can't find pilots, I said he'll have to pay to get the ones he needs (experienced CA's and LCAs) to take a chance on a startup.

captjns 06-19-2018 05:51 AM

The man ha a proven track record in the U.S. and S.A. It’s a gamble... for sure. However... think about the seniority numbers... 15,000+ with a legacy? Or a range from 01 to 100 with an upstart that has the possibility of growing. You have carriers in the U.S. operating into secondary markets with success. Yeah some, for example Skybus, Independence, People’s Express 2.0 folded.

But at the end of the day, being 15,000 on the seniority list runs the risk of being furloughed, during tough times, for many years... many are too young to remember the ‘70s.

ULCC may not carry the same glory as AA, DAL, UAL, etc... but hey they said SWA, Allegiant, Spirit would never make it... and how are they doing today:rolleyes:?

David Puddy 06-19-2018 08:51 AM


Originally Posted by captjns (Post 2617215)
The man ha a proven track record in the U.S. and S.A. It’s a gamble... for sure. However... think about the seniority numbers... 15,000+ with a legacy? Or a range from 01 to 100 with an upstart that has the possibility of growing. You have carriers in the U.S. operating into secondary markets with success. Yeah some, for example Skybus, Independence, People’s Express 2.0 folded.

But at the end of the day, being 15,000 on the seniority list runs the risk of being furloughed, during tough times, for many years... many are too young to remember the ‘70s.

ULCC may not carry the same glory as AA, DAL, UAL, etc... but hey they said SWA, Allegiant, Spirit would never make it... and how are they doing today:rolleyes:?

That’s true - Neeleman is “bankable” because he has a track record (Morris Air, Westjet, JetBlue and Azul in Brazil). Plus, the former CEO of Air Canada is on board as an investor as well - lending more credibility.

Again, I personally find it interesting that Neeleman chose the CS300 despite being the biggest operator of Embraer E190/95s in the world through Azul and JetBlue. If that isn’t a confidence booster in the CSeries program before the big Farnborough Airshow in July I don’t know what is...


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