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Old 02-08-2020, 10:07 AM
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Can someone please PM the site where I can apply thank you.
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Old 02-08-2020, 10:09 AM
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In regards to technology, I absolutely think what they do could be a game changer. Honestly, I don’t think you should even compare it to what anybody has right now. In my personal opinion, and what I would like to see, is how he compares it to Uber and ridesharing services. Think about this, without the app, Uber is nothing. What if it were the same for breeze?
what if it were an app with an airline, not an airline with an app? Uber completely disrupted the taxi service. At this point, it’s almost hard to imagine what it was like when we had to call a taxi and wait for 20 minutes for some disgruntled person to overcharge us for a short drive. It’s crazy how far ride sharing has come and how ubiquitous it is.
what if the breeze app allowed customers to purchase airline tickets with prices that fluctuated with demand on a minute by minute basis similar to the way that Uber charges for ridesharing? Because they are focusing on a leisure travel market, especially weekend travelers, the app could allow them to simply open it up and buy a quick weekend ticket for say under $100, and it be a direct flight to a popular leisure Destiination.
with enough destinations, people could use the app where they lived and just check flights for the fun of it at any time. It wouldn’t be the traditional opening of a search engine and looking for the lowest flights. It would be a completely different idea and model. Changing the paradigm of how people think of buying tickets. Similar to what Expedia etc did to travel agents 20 years ago...

Just my stream of conscious thought on it.
There is a huge difference between ride sharing and part 121 scheduled air carrier operations. Trying to flex supply/demand with Uber/lyft is easy. Neither ride sharing company requires a whole lot of capital or operating costs, as those costs are mostly carried by the drivers (yet both companies still can’t turn a profit and are still hemorrhaging money, but I digress). Also, the capital assets (cars) are dual use (used to drive and make money and used for personal use throughout the day). The drivers require no special training or pay, unlike an airline pilot. A driver can drive the rider anywhere in the local area. A scheduled air carrier doesn’t have the ability to flex to demand or routes in real time...flights are planned by 121 carriers months in advance, not minutes. They can have seasonal routes, seasonal bases, etc, but that’s about the extent of it. An Uber/lyft is a last minute, short time frame, inexpensive transaction that can take you anywhere. A last minute Breeze flight from Fargo to Provo (or any other city pair) has only a limited number of possible riders, with a fixed number of aircraft and routes/city pairs that severely limits this sort of ride sharing type flexibility and ease that some are associating with BreEZe.

I do agree that a younger, made from scratch IT backbone and ecosystem will enable a cleaner set of systems, but I think the benefits/paradigm shift you mention are overstated and won’t be revolutionary.

I do see some good potential in the business plan simply based on Allegiant’s success and the low capital, low utilization fleet (195) mixed with an extremely versatile, low CASM fleet of A220s.

Neeleman has never had to pay pilots what they are worth due to his timing with startups. This is where I think he might be miscalculating. There will be a revolving door and a lot of training churn, or pay will have to go up. I’m curious, to what extent, they’ve planned for that. After the new wears off and the early seniority numbers are taken, there is about zero incentive to be there at those rates. It’ll be no different than a regional...get in, get your time, then go to a major. He thinks if regionals can staff at regional rates, he can up those just a little and still staff his operation consistently. Maybe he’s right. But the talent and experience of the pilots he will get will follow the “you get what you pay for” mantra so long as other higher paying airlines are hiring by the thousands. They are banking on guys living in base (hence their live in base bonus), establishing roots, and getting comfortable and not wanting to commute to a major...substituting pilot pay with culture and no commute. Will be interesting to see if it works.
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Old 02-08-2020, 11:03 AM
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I totally agree that it is a huge difference and an apples to oranges comparison. That said, my point was more to suggest that revolutionizing something is possible even if we can’t necessarily grasp it at the time. I would love to see something totally new that I haven’t thought of, or couldn’t imagine. Perhaps I’m just idealistic and what he may create. It is tiresome seeing the same old thing played out over and over again.
nonetheless, it will be very interesting to watch. I would love to think that he is smart enough to account for the current demand for pilots and the wages out there, and how his airline could be a training ground for type ratings. That said, people have misjudged pilots before...
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Old 02-08-2020, 01:25 PM
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Is there anyone on the inside on this thread who knows if they will have CASS at the start of operations? Are they only looking for pilots who live local right now? I did see earlier in the thread that pilots living close to base are preferred at the moment.

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Old 02-08-2020, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by blinkpilot182 View Post
Is there anyone on the inside on this thread who knows if they will have CASS at the start of operations? Are they only looking for pilots who live local right now? I did see earlier in the thread that pilots living close to base are preferred at the moment.

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Where is local? SLC? From what I have heard the initial bases will be East Coast (probably secondary/non-hub cities). Very curious to watch their model develop.

I find Dave’s talk about how he will use the A220s (a lot of thin, transcon type flights) particularly interesting...
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:16 PM
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From the Bloomberg article:



“We’re going to compensate our people well and we’re going to take really good care of them,” he said. “There are a lot of pilots flying for airlines that would rather fly with us.”
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Old 02-08-2020, 04:39 PM
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From the Bloomberg article:



“We’re going to compensate our people well and we’re going to take really good care of them,” he said. “There are a lot of pilots flying for airlines that would rather fly with us.”
Miami Air, Swift, World Atlantic....
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Miami Air, Swift, World Atlantic....
Atlas, Southern, National, NAC, Mesa, CommutAir...
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Originally Posted by avi8tor614 View Post
Can someone please PM the site where I can apply thank you.
It’s on their IG page.

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Thanks very much
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