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David Puddy 06-18-2018 07:58 AM

[Breeze] Airways
 
Not sure if this has already been discussed. Looks like he is in the funding stage. What is the proposed aircraft type? CS300s....

Read below:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-18/jetblue-founder-raising-funds-for-new-u-s-airline-report-says

skydisaster 06-18-2018 08:00 AM

Moxy Airways
 
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ne-report-says


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CaptCoolHand 06-18-2018 08:23 AM

Neeleman is a great starter, but a bad finisher.

So this is Alligiant with jb flare?

PasserOGas 06-18-2018 08:32 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2616618)
Neeleman is a great starter, but a bad finisher.

So this is Alligiant with jb flare?

I thought jetblue was Allegant with jb flair.

rickair7777 06-18-2018 08:54 AM

New airplane, new business model. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time.

Good luck with that.

BeatNavy 06-18-2018 08:58 AM

Watch us merge in 5 years, and all the guys rushing to this startup win the seniority lottery and slide in to the top of our list. That'd be my luck. Interesting timing with our fleet review and contract vote coming soon.

BeatNavy 06-18-2018 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2616646)
New airplane, new business model. I hope he's prepared to pay pilots a real premium, otherwise why go to a startup when the legacies will be hiring big-time.

Good luck with that.

I don't think finding pilots, at least not initial guys filling the left seat, will be a problem...plenty of regional guys will jump at the opportunity to get larger-than-regional jet PIC, and it will likely pay more than a regional captain makes. Furthermore, the notion of getting in on the ground floor with the possibility of winning the seniority lottery in organic growth or via an acquisition will attract people. Throw in the fact that they'll likely have regional hiring standards, ie 1500 hour CFIs for the right seat, I doubt they'll have any trouble filling both seats, unfortunately. Guess we will see.

METO Guido 06-18-2018 09:29 AM

According to the article, he wants 100M for start up, the same number raised to bankroll JetBlue 20 years earlier?

rickair7777 06-18-2018 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by BeatNavy (Post 2616659)
I don't think finding pilots, at least not initial guys filling the left seat, will be a problem...plenty of regional guys will jump at the opportunity to get larger-than-regional jet PIC, and it will likely pay more than a regional captain makes. Furthermore, the notion of getting in on the ground floor with the possibility of winning the seniority lottery in organic growth or via an acquisition will attract people. Throw in the fact that they'll likely have regional hiring standards, ie 1500 hour CFIs for the right seat, I doubt they'll have any trouble filling both seats, unfortunately. Guess we will see.

Nobody is going to take that deal if Big-Six is even a realistic option, no good reason to take a bunch or risks for a stepping stone unless you know the established majors won't be calling... ever. Safer to just sit tight at your regional in most cases. If you just have to GTFO now, the ACMI's probably pay better, with no worse stability.

The FAA will require experienced CA's for the left seat, they will not let a startup hire 2500-hour regional FO's and put them in the left seat of a new-design narrowbody on a new certificate. Startups typically also hire experienced pilots for the right seat initially, on the premise that they will upgrade very quickly.

His B-Plan is going to need plenty of compensation for pilots. Or he's planning on staffing exclusively with pilots who have very significant black marks, ie felons, drunks, or documented incompetents, which would not bode well for safety (reference that learjet at TEB).

BeatNavy 06-18-2018 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 2616666)
According to the article, he wants 100M for start up, the same number raised to bankroll JetBlue 20 years earlier?

Won't need near the real estate/gates/landing fees that he needed with JetBlue if he's going point to point in secondary markets. I have to assume their overhead will be significantly lower. Fuel costs (or at least fuel quantity) will be significantly lower than his previous venture with significantly lower CASM. And I have to assume his financing terms for the 60 C series were probably pretty solid. Will be interesting to see how it works out.


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