Question: Are there non-union pilots employed at any Major airlines?
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I agree...
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There aren't many pilots at unionized airlines who aren't union members... it's a sore subject of contention and most of the ones who are there and aren't are old guys who didn't join when the union started.
If you have an opportunity to join a union, do it.
This thread is going downhill from here...
There aren't many pilots at unionized airlines who aren't union members... it's a sore subject of contention and most of the ones who are there and aren't are old guys who didn't join when the union started.
If you have an opportunity to join a union, do it.
#4
union airlines
Wannabe,
If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...
Good Luck
If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...
Good Luck
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actually all aviation unions are not closed shops but agency shops ( and not all of them are even that) . the difference between closed shops like the plumbers union and the agency shops of alpa is that in a closed shop you have to join or you cannot work, but at an agency shop you do no have to join to work, however you still pay dues. you pay the same dues as all the other pilots minus a 0.1% and you do not get the union protection. the dues the non members paying dues pay is for " contract administration".
If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...
Good Luck
If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...
Good Luck
#9
actually all aviation unions are not closed shops but agency shops ( and not all of them are even that) . the difference between closed shops like the plumbers union and the agency shops of alpa is that in a closed shop you have to join or you cannot work, but at an agency shop you do no have to join to work, however you still pay dues. you pay the same dues as all the other pilots minus a 0.1% and you do not get the union protection. the dues the non members paying dues pay is for " contract administration".
This is a sore point for many dues paying members and often mis-understood when the Union defends a Non-member who is being disciplined. Non-members get everything that the Members do except the priviledge to vote.
Often the Union offers addtitional benefits, like extra insurance products, Union priviledge credit cards, credit unions and financial services, as well as access to aero-medical and legal staff for FAA certificate action help. Non-members can be excluded from these, but can not be denied benefits defined in a Labor contract.
Last edited by RedeyeAV8r; 04-13-2007 at 02:46 PM.
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you are rigth reavrt, I dd not mean to imply that the union would not ptotect the dues paying non memebers on any matters related to the cba, as their dues are for contract administration, but I meant in any of the other benefits that are associated with being a union member that are not defined by your respective cba.
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