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Old 04-13-2007, 11:21 AM
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Are there any non-union pilots employed with airlines?
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Old 04-13-2007, 01:11 PM
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Are there any non-union pilots employed with airlines?
I forsee 20 pages, with Velocipede leading the charge.
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I forsee 20 pages, with Velocipede leading the charge.
I agree...

This thread is going downhill from here...


There aren't many pilots at unionized airlines who aren't union members... it's a sore subject of contention and most of the ones who are there and aren't are old guys who didn't join when the union started.

If you have an opportunity to join a union, do it.
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Are there any non-union pilots employed with airlines?
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If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...

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The vast majority of major airline pilots hold union cards. Whether or not all card carrying members pay dues is a different matter, but most do.
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Yes. One example is AA. Many TWA pilots chose not to join the AA pilot union.
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At Fedex we have about 100 who for whatever reason choose not to be members. They also choose to keep their pay raise and bonus money from our new contract
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actually all aviation unions are not closed shops but agency shops ( and not all of them are even that) . the difference between closed shops like the plumbers union and the agency shops of alpa is that in a closed shop you have to join or you cannot work, but at an agency shop you do no have to join to work, however you still pay dues. you pay the same dues as all the other pilots minus a 0.1% and you do not get the union protection. the dues the non members paying dues pay is for " contract administration".


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If an airline is non-union then its pilots are also non-union. If the airline is a union carrier, like most in the US, then all pilots will be union pilots and protected by that union. This is because these are "closed shop" unions and to work there you must be a union pilot. If you research some labor history from the early days you will see how and why unions were formed and why they are still needed today in professional jobs such as Pilot,Police officer, Dr, RN, Etc...

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actually all aviation unions are not closed shops but agency shops ( and not all of them are even that) . the difference between closed shops like the plumbers union and the agency shops of alpa is that in a closed shop you have to join or you cannot work, but at an agency shop you do no have to join to work, however you still pay dues. you pay the same dues as all the other pilots minus a 0.1% and you do not get the union protection. the dues the non members paying dues pay is for " contract administration".
This part is incorrect. Under the Duty of Fair Representation in accordance with the Railway Labor Act and Dept of Labor. All members of the "Class and Craft" (which are Pilots holding a seniority number in this case), are entitled to all the benefits under the Contract. It does not matter if you are a member or not.

This is a sore point for many dues paying members and often mis-understood when the Union defends a Non-member who is being disciplined. Non-members get everything that the Members do except the priviledge to vote.

Often the Union offers addtitional benefits, like extra insurance products, Union priviledge credit cards, credit unions and financial services, as well as access to aero-medical and legal staff for FAA certificate action help. Non-members can be excluded from these, but can not be denied benefits defined in a Labor contract.

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you are rigth reavrt, I dd not mean to imply that the union would not ptotect the dues paying non memebers on any matters related to the cba, as their dues are for contract administration, but I meant in any of the other benefits that are associated with being a union member that are not defined by your respective cba.
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