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wilco811 10-10-2018 10:42 AM

Allegiant pays half of what a major or legacy pays is a bunch of balloni. Just compare the rates, JB and G4 pay roughly the same for 12 yr CA (A320), Both paying $220/hr plus. JB maybe a wee bit higher but saying half the pay is completely untrue. Maybe compared to a senior WB CA at the legacies but even then it won’t be close to half.

crxpilot 10-10-2018 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by wilco811 (Post 2689198)
Allegiant pays half of what a major or legacy pays is a bunch of balloni. Just compare the rates, JB and G4 pay roughly the same for 12 yr CA (A320), Both paying $220/hr plus. JB maybe a wee bit higher but saying half the pay is completely untrue. Maybe compared to a senior WB CA at the legacies but even then it won’t be close to half.

Some hustlers at Allegiant passed 400k$ last year so they don’t exactly pay chump change. 375k+ for the year isn’t unfathomable as well (12 year captain)

Qotsaautopilot 10-10-2018 03:49 PM

You guys know Jetblue just signed a contract right

Blue Dude 10-10-2018 06:46 PM

All I know is that prison sex is more gentle than what the company just did to the pilot group with their first CBA-constrained pairing set. The smaller, non-commuter bases just had the QOL there destroyed.

wilco811 10-10-2018 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2689352)
You guys know Jetblue just signed a contract right

Yeah I was comparing g4 with b6 under their most recent contracts.

sailingfun 10-11-2018 04:42 AM


Originally Posted by wilco811 (Post 2689198)
Allegiant pays half of what a major or legacy pays is a bunch of balloni. Just compare the rates, JB and G4 pay roughly the same for 12 yr CA (A320), Both paying $220/hr plus. JB maybe a wee bit higher but saying half the pay is completely untrue. Maybe compared to a senior WB CA at the legacies but even then it won’t be close to half.

You need to add all pay and benefits. A senior widebody CA at Delta can easily make 500,000 a year and 600,000 is doable with some effort. Higher is possible in some categories with a lot of effort. A select few will break 900K this year. Hourly rates are only part of the equation. As a example a top scale CA is getting about 346 per hour international. He will however fill his 415C bucket up by June and even as early as April. Once that happens his rate jumps to 401 an hour for the rest of the year. In addition he will see about 15% profit sharing jumping that rate to a effective 460 an hour. If he flies a overtime trip his rate is in excess of 900 an hour at that point. If he is getting reroute pay his rate is over 900. If his trip is purchased for training and he picks up a overtime trip on top of it he is looking at 1300 plus an hour. Then there is the overtime with conflict option. It’s rare but highly lucrative.
Hourly pay has to be taken in context with the rest of the contract. The same hourly rate at two different airlines can produce a vastly different paycheck.

crxpilot 10-11-2018 05:19 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2689551)
You need to add all pay and benefits. A senior widebody CA at Delta can easily make 500,000 a year and 600,000 is doable with some effort. Higher is possible in some categories with a lot of effort. A select few will break 900K this year. Hourly rates are only part of the equation. As a example a top scale CA is getting about 346 per hour international. He will however fill his 415C bucket up by June and even as early as April. Once that happens his rate jumps to 401 an hour for the rest of the year. In addition he will see about 15% profit sharing jumping that rate to a effective 460 an hour. If he flies a overtime trip his rate is in excess of 900 an hour at that point. If he is getting reroute pay his rate is over 900. If his trip is purchased for training and he picks up a overtime trip on top of it he is looking at 1300 plus an hour. Then there is the overtime with conflict option. It’s rare but highly lucrative.
Hourly pay has to be taken in context with the rest of the contract. The same hourly rate at two different airlines can produce a vastly different paycheck.


We get it. Delta is superior and the rest of us suck. Good to know.

sailingfun 10-11-2018 05:45 AM


Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2689563)
We get it. Delta is superior and the rest of us suck. Good to know.

I actually assume there are similar opportunities at UAL and I know SWA can produce well beyond their hourly rate. I believe they have 737 CA’s approaching 500k now and then and 400K is not hard.

nuball5 10-11-2018 05:46 AM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 2689551)
You need to add all pay and benefits. A senior widebody CA at Delta can easily make 500,000 a year and 600,000 is doable with some effort. Higher is possible in some categories with a lot of effort. A select few will break 900K this year. Hourly rates are only part of the equation. As a example a top scale CA is getting about 346 per hour international. He will however fill his 415C bucket up by June and even as early as April. Once that happens his rate jumps to 401 an hour for the rest of the year. In addition he will see about 15% profit sharing jumping that rate to a effective 460 an hour. If he flies a overtime trip his rate is in excess of 900 an hour at that point. If he is getting reroute pay his rate is over 900. If his trip is purchased for training and he picks up a overtime trip on top of it he is looking at 1300 plus an hour. Then there is the overtime with conflict option. It’s rare but highly lucrative.
Hourly pay has to be taken in context with the rest of the contract. The same hourly rate at two different airlines can produce a vastly different paycheck.

What's the chance your average 30-40 year old that's hired tomorrow would ever see widebody CA anywhere besides American? I'm guessing pretty slim.

labbats 10-11-2018 06:04 AM

Wide body CA lineholder is typically reserved for someone approaching retirement. No way I’d be interested in chasing dollars over free time at that point in my life.

I do believe you have a strong point about soft pay though. Allegiant just got a first contract and with unity we can work on achieving more in that category in a couple years.


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