Fatigue is BS
10-11-2018, 03:33 AM
#11
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TLDR: “NTSB suggests Canada adopt tighter duty and rest regs, ACPA suggests copying 117, author says that’s stupid because we still have fatigue events in the US so obviously 117 doesn’t work.”
We should get rid of airbags and seatbelts too.
We should get rid of airbags and seatbelts too.
10-11-2018, 04:47 AM
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Originally Posted by FollowMe
TLDR: “NTSB suggests Canada adopt tighter duty and rest regs, ACPA suggests copying 117, author says that’s stupid because we still have fatigue events in the US so obviously 117 doesn’t work.”
We should get rid of airbags and seatbelts too.
We should get rid of airbags and seatbelts too.
Exactly, and the 2 examples used for why not adopting something 117-like were operations not covered by 117.
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10-11-2018, 07:12 AM
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Simple solution—invite the writer to a couple schedules while remaining awake and alert for the same hours as the crew. A daytime sleep period while the maids rattle down the hall should be included. I did that for my schedulers in the AF, they got respect from the experience.
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10-11-2018, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Big E 757
I’m sure together, with some CIA guys at a black ops site, we could come up with a week long program to introduce this reporter to “fatigue”.
10-11-2018, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Simple solution—invite the writer to a couple schedules while remaining awake and alert for the same hours as the crew. A daytime sleep period while the maids rattle down the hall should be included. I did that for my schedulers in the AF, they got respect from the experience.
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10-11-2018, 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
Simple solution—invite the writer to a couple schedules while remaining awake and alert for the same hours as the crew. A daytime sleep period while the maids rattle down the hall should be included. I did that for my schedulers in the AF, they got respect from the experience.
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Noisy cockpits and no iPhone or iPad in the cockpit. No newspaper reading either. Let’s see how they respond to that for multiple days in a row. The polyester FAA brigade should be made to do the same.
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10-11-2018, 04:06 PM
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Funny.... I though Canada was progressive with their PM Trudeau.
Wonder what the “powers that be” would have said if that Air Canada had hit 4 planes in SFO while trying to land on a taxiway with......4 *******ing planes on it. Would have been the worse accident in history, and I would have lost a close friend of mine possibly , FO on the United 737.
They would have said that is was the crews fault for being fatigued and flying and dying. Easy out to blame 2 then a government of scum
Wonder what the “powers that be” would have said if that Air Canada had hit 4 planes in SFO while trying to land on a taxiway with......4 *******ing planes on it. Would have been the worse accident in history, and I would have lost a close friend of mine possibly , FO on the United 737.
They would have said that is was the crews fault for being fatigued and flying and dying. Easy out to blame 2 then a government of scum
10-11-2018, 04:27 PM
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A quick Google search found several articles by the same author, all of them suggesting that fatigue hasn’t been satisfactorily proven, fixes are not cost-effective, safety must be balanced against profits, and other such balderdash. 
10-11-2018, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by gipple
Don’t forget to make them follow you for a food run and a **** break. They have to deal with uncomfortable hotel temperature, beds, pillows etc. Loud door slamming and amateur neighbors. Lousy food.
Noisy cockpits and no iPhone or iPad in the cockpit. No newspaper reading either.
Noisy cockpits and no iPhone or iPad in the cockpit. No newspaper reading either.
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