DAL and NWA to start flying RJ's
10-09-2005, 04:26 PM
#21
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UConn
UConn,
Don't go UConn !!! If you want to be a professional pilot then you will face this kind of onslaught daily. Its a kind of friendly hazing. I am sure you know all about that since you are a football player. Make your comments. Take a beating but I am sure that you will make it to a well regarded place here and in the industry. I am attacked almost every time I post something. I would feel lonely if Kill Bill didn't burst my balloon once in a while. Hang in there.
SkyHigh
Don't go UConn !!! If you want to be a professional pilot then you will face this kind of onslaught daily. Its a kind of friendly hazing. I am sure you know all about that since you are a football player. Make your comments. Take a beating but I am sure that you will make it to a well regarded place here and in the industry. I am attacked almost every time I post something. I would feel lonely if Kill Bill didn't burst my balloon once in a while. Hang in there.
SkyHigh
10-09-2005, 04:59 PM
#23
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afa
when i was graduating high school, war was imminent as a result of 9-11 and for parents, your son saying they want to go to the military wasnt what you wanted to hear.. for those who dont mind the graphic description.. i live in Marlboro, NJ, 13 miles downwind of the WTC the morning after.. if you were a parent and had to smell rotting flesh and burning cement and jet fuel that morning, you would have strong feelings AGAINST letting your son go to AFA or any of the academies.. yes, they are prestigious and yes i tried to stress that because i wanted to go, but they would hear none of it.. even still, i fly as much as i can, and work my way up like everyone else...
10-09-2005, 05:12 PM
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UConn
You Go UConn,
Are you here to stay?
LAFrequent,
Sometimes Kill Bill says things that are kind of hurtful. I know that he doesn't mean it though. He is a tuff love kind of guy.
SkyHigh
Are you here to stay?
LAFrequent,
Sometimes Kill Bill says things that are kind of hurtful. I know that he doesn't mean it though. He is a tuff love kind of guy.
SkyHigh
10-09-2005, 05:59 PM
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Keep fighting the good fight Uconn. I'm in the same boat but a little further along in my ratings. Unlike you, I got that "worthless" aviation degree as some here have stated. Why? Because I hate school and would have dropped out if I wasn't studying something I love. Luckilly, I've done lots of things outside of the industry and my work experience will help quite a bit if the need arises. It's already helping finance my CFI rather than more loan debt. PM me sometime if you need help with training or anything related.
10-09-2005, 06:15 PM
#27
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AFA , Kill Bill / SkyHigh
UCONN,
...You can still get the aviation job you want without the military training...Just enjoy the flying and enjoy your time with family / friends...
SkyHigh - Kill Bill is only making you stronger...
V/r,
LA
...You can still get the aviation job you want without the military training...Just enjoy the flying and enjoy your time with family / friends...
SkyHigh - Kill Bill is only making you stronger...
V/r,
LA
10-10-2005, 06:51 AM
#28
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
You Go UConn,
Are you here to stay?
LAFrequent,
Sometimes Kill Bill says things that are kind of hurtful. I know that he doesn't mean it though. He is a tuff love kind of guy.
SkyHigh
Are you here to stay?
LAFrequent,
Sometimes Kill Bill says things that are kind of hurtful. I know that he doesn't mean it though. He is a tuff love kind of guy.
SkyHigh
10-11-2005, 07:10 AM
#29
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Posts: 66
Won't you tell me...
I'm one of the new guys too, and I still haven't heard any answers to my question. Before you blame us for eroding the industry, be sure to tell us what your first job was, what you got paid for it, and how you did your own part to preserve the future of the industry that you so callously protect. Honestly, if you found some way to do it, I'd be glad to learn. Remember that it is just as easy for a gray-haired guy to say that new people should be turned away as it is for a new guy to say that a gray-haired guy should be glad to work for $60k. Talking about someone else's job is something like spending someone else's money... it sure is easy.
10-11-2005, 08:13 AM
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Hey guys,
not taking sides.... just wanted to throw this out there..... I was hired at Delta (my dream job) in July 2000. That was after 5 years in engineering school, 10 years flying Tomcats at Miramar (I was lucky, and it was a blast), 5 1/2 years in corporate aviation (loved it), then Delta. On Sept 11, 2001 we had 10,400 pilots on our seniority list. Furloughs started in October, I was on furlough for 2 1/2 years. While I was on furlough, Delta's mainline lost 4000 pilot jobs, almost all of which were shifted to ASA, Comair, Skywest, Chitaqua (sp?), Shuttle America. This created unlimited opportunity to young pilots coming into the industry. I didn't touch my first high performance aircraft until I was 24, which is the age that many pilots are making their first Captain job in a regional jet. This has been a great time for the regionals, and a great time for new pilots to move into the industry.
Here's the problem.... When I came to Delta, ASA, Comair, Skywest, etc. were stopping off points on the way to the majors for many. Many pilots still had aspirations on that dream job!!!! It was worth investing $60,000 - $100,000 in your education as a pilot. Most of us have the same dreams.... have a great flying job, get stabilized in our careers, then buy a house, have a family, be able to take care of you or family, have an enjoyable career, retire and have a comfortable retirement. That dream is becoming more difficult to acheive. Now the Regionals have transitioned from a "stopping off point" to a career. Under Delta's current proposal, the Delta pilot group will receive a 51.5% paycut in less than one year - 31.5% Dec '04 and 19.5% next month. When loss of benefits, disability, scheduling and retirement is considered the paycut is actually around 70% in one year.
Okay.... before I get slammed, please understand I'm not saying poor me, at this point, it's just business. Delta knows that mainline pilots can be replaced by "contract" pilots and now we're in a race to the bottom. Where ever you started your dream, whatever you've done to get here, it's been difficult, it's been expensive, we've spent Christmas, Thanksgiving, Birthdays, anniversaries, weekends on the road. We spend half of our lives on the road and have asked our loved ones to understand, as we would be good providers for them. But now the industry is at a point where personally I think and hope that our pay will not go any lower. Companies have pitted pilot groups against each other.... e.g. who at Delta will fly the RJ70 cheaper? ASA, Skywest, Comair.... How about the 90 seater? Delta mainline, ASA, Comair, Skywest, Shuttle America. How many of you would fly a 767 or 777 for $90 per hour? The mainline companies have done a masterful job of turning us all against each other. My hope is that we can stabilize our careers and they can grow with the projected demographics of the industry. I hope all of you can have a stable financial future.
When I returned from my 2 1/2 year furlough, it was the first time in my adult life that I had not flown and I'll tell you that the first time I lined up on the runway in Salt Lake City and pushed the throttes up, I was smiling like a 5 year old kid....... I was the same kid that spent all of his days staring into the sky and thinking how cool it would be to fly that jet that was laying a contrail across the sky. So here's my wish for all of you..... I hope you can all have careers that you enjoy as much as I do mine. I hope that all of you can make a solid living for your family, buy that home, have children, send them to college and have a great retirement....... For that to happen, we all need to start working together a little bit more.
Man, it's been so cool this far, whether I was in a F-14 over Iraq, Citation VII coming out of Pensacola at sunset, Piper Tomahawk teaching young guys how to fly, or taking a soldier home on Christmas eve to be with his family in a B737. Hopefully 15 more years of flying with the airlines, then I hope I can fly relief supplies around Africa in a Cessna 185. Support the pilots that love general aviation, mentor the young pilots coming into corporate or the airlines. Don't forget your love of flying, pass it along..... remember, we're all in a brotherhood. Best to all!!!! Respectfully, Tomcat
not taking sides.... just wanted to throw this out there..... I was hired at Delta (my dream job) in July 2000. That was after 5 years in engineering school, 10 years flying Tomcats at Miramar (I was lucky, and it was a blast), 5 1/2 years in corporate aviation (loved it), then Delta. On Sept 11, 2001 we had 10,400 pilots on our seniority list. Furloughs started in October, I was on furlough for 2 1/2 years. While I was on furlough, Delta's mainline lost 4000 pilot jobs, almost all of which were shifted to ASA, Comair, Skywest, Chitaqua (sp?), Shuttle America. This created unlimited opportunity to young pilots coming into the industry. I didn't touch my first high performance aircraft until I was 24, which is the age that many pilots are making their first Captain job in a regional jet. This has been a great time for the regionals, and a great time for new pilots to move into the industry.
Here's the problem.... When I came to Delta, ASA, Comair, Skywest, etc. were stopping off points on the way to the majors for many. Many pilots still had aspirations on that dream job!!!! It was worth investing $60,000 - $100,000 in your education as a pilot. Most of us have the same dreams.... have a great flying job, get stabilized in our careers, then buy a house, have a family, be able to take care of you or family, have an enjoyable career, retire and have a comfortable retirement. That dream is becoming more difficult to acheive. Now the Regionals have transitioned from a "stopping off point" to a career. Under Delta's current proposal, the Delta pilot group will receive a 51.5% paycut in less than one year - 31.5% Dec '04 and 19.5% next month. When loss of benefits, disability, scheduling and retirement is considered the paycut is actually around 70% in one year.
Okay.... before I get slammed, please understand I'm not saying poor me, at this point, it's just business. Delta knows that mainline pilots can be replaced by "contract" pilots and now we're in a race to the bottom. Where ever you started your dream, whatever you've done to get here, it's been difficult, it's been expensive, we've spent Christmas, Thanksgiving, Birthdays, anniversaries, weekends on the road. We spend half of our lives on the road and have asked our loved ones to understand, as we would be good providers for them. But now the industry is at a point where personally I think and hope that our pay will not go any lower. Companies have pitted pilot groups against each other.... e.g. who at Delta will fly the RJ70 cheaper? ASA, Skywest, Comair.... How about the 90 seater? Delta mainline, ASA, Comair, Skywest, Shuttle America. How many of you would fly a 767 or 777 for $90 per hour? The mainline companies have done a masterful job of turning us all against each other. My hope is that we can stabilize our careers and they can grow with the projected demographics of the industry. I hope all of you can have a stable financial future.
When I returned from my 2 1/2 year furlough, it was the first time in my adult life that I had not flown and I'll tell you that the first time I lined up on the runway in Salt Lake City and pushed the throttes up, I was smiling like a 5 year old kid....... I was the same kid that spent all of his days staring into the sky and thinking how cool it would be to fly that jet that was laying a contrail across the sky. So here's my wish for all of you..... I hope you can all have careers that you enjoy as much as I do mine. I hope that all of you can make a solid living for your family, buy that home, have children, send them to college and have a great retirement....... For that to happen, we all need to start working together a little bit more.
Man, it's been so cool this far, whether I was in a F-14 over Iraq, Citation VII coming out of Pensacola at sunset, Piper Tomahawk teaching young guys how to fly, or taking a soldier home on Christmas eve to be with his family in a B737. Hopefully 15 more years of flying with the airlines, then I hope I can fly relief supplies around Africa in a Cessna 185. Support the pilots that love general aviation, mentor the young pilots coming into corporate or the airlines. Don't forget your love of flying, pass it along..... remember, we're all in a brotherhood. Best to all!!!! Respectfully, Tomcat
Last edited by Tomcat; 10-11-2005 at 04:39 PM.
