Cargocapt

Help me solve an argument.

Crew member is scheduled positive space home after trip, company paid ticket. Duty day limitations requires travel on following day at end of trip. Crew stuck at hotel till following day. Earlier available flight home last day of trip after duty day ends. Company can't assign crew to fly home that day, it exceeds duty day.

Can crew jump, without using paid ticket on earlier flight (provided it does not affect other deadhead crew). Crew has dutied off and is now on personal time. Plenty of early flights home instead of another night in a hotel for new duty day.

What should happen to positive space ticket. Should company get refund for ticket or is this a no no.

Hypothetical creates a situation where company purchase ticket then tells crew to take any flight they want home. Obviously company would buy worst flight available to encourage pilots to chose other options. Then if paid ticket not used company can get ticket price refunded. Rinse and repeat. This is obviously a no no, but why.

Vague for a reason.

DickBurns

If your company will release you from your DH, then go home.

Cargocapt

Not my company. The question is about the positive space ticket and if a crew member should/can jumpseat instead of using the positive space ticket. And specifically what should happen to the positive space ticket.

m3113n1a1

I think it depends on specific company policy. Does your company have a policy for deviating from an assigned deadhead?

Cargocapt

Again not my company so I don't know the policy. Having a conversation with another crew member and he brought up this dozzy.

Smells of a jumpseat agreement issue. One company taking advantage of another's jumpseat benefits to save a buck or two.

ShyGuy

I don’t see how company is saving a buck or two? They owe you a positive space seat. Depending on your airline policy, it’s up to you to use it or not. They owe you a hotel and a pos space ride DH back to base. If you’re cutting out the night before because it helps you, and you personally jumpseat home offline, then what does it matter what happened to the original seat? In your original scenario they couldn’t fly you because you timed out (DH at end of FDP is not duty per FDP). But anyway I don’t see a problem.

Sluggo_63

Are you talking about FedEx?

captjns

Whereas carriers provide positive space tickets to and from home with provisos for replacement crews coming in to crew the airplane. As a rule, your travel home may be delayed should the inbound crew experience a delay, thus putting your plans off. This inconvenience usually results on overtime pay. The company does not want any potential revenue flight, rightfully so, uncovered. I’ve made it a point to have flight following to email / text me an official release to travel home earlier than stated on my roster.

hilltopflyer

For us (b6) they have to release to self dh (Jumpseat). Only way they can’t do it is if they are already assigning you to fly that flight the next day.
And to the other part of the question about taking advantage of the Jumpseat system. Of course you aren’t. Only time it comes up about positive space and Jumpseat is if you are kicking someone off the Jumpseat on the flight you are originally scheduled to positive space home on just to Jumpseat.

Name User

Moot point. 117 did away with duty day limitations for DH on last leg. Additonal rest will be required afterward, however. But since going home not an issue.

As far as getting refund, that would be a huge no-no. If caught the entire airline could lose jumpseat privileges.