US Airways pilots "OK" EMB 190
10-04-2005, 06:32 AM
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US Airways pilots "OK" EMB 190
ATW Daily News
US Airways pilots give tentative nod to Embraer 190s
Tuesday October 4, 2005
US Airways pilots, with an eye on JetBlue, reached a tentative agreement with the airline to operate the Embraer 190 as part of mainline service at a rate that will make the jets competitive with the low-cost carrier that launched the 100-seater."We agreed on a pay rate as well as a restriction to fly only as mainline," Jack Stephan, a spokesperson for the US Airways pilots, told ATWOnline. "That one issue was sent out for member ratification with a strong endorsement to ratify the agreement."
The decision was part of an overall transition agreement between the pilot groups at America West and US Airways, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Assn., as well as management, Stephan explained. The US Airways scope clause prohibited the operation of aircraft with more than 70 seats by Regional partners, but at one point the pilots agreed to allow 190 operations at the now-defunct MidAtlantic division although no 190 orders ever were placed, he said. The Embraer 170 flying originally planned for MidAtlantic has been shifted to partner Republic Airways and the aircraft sold to the independent airline.
"I think the world has changed since we first allowed the 190s to be flown at MidAtlantic," said Stephan. "There was permission to fly them outside the mainline. We had a chance to revisit that issue. It became clear that it was in the best interest of our pilot groups that the airplane not be flown anywhere but the mainline." He said the pilots tied the pay scale for the 190 to the size of the aircraft and the revenue it could generate.
"All we had to do was to point to JetBlue. They don't have a separate division," he noted. "If you are talking seat-mile costs, we can give you a competitive rate and let you fly that on the mainline. I think it's an improvement over what we had."
by Sandra Arnoult
US Airways pilots give tentative nod to Embraer 190s
Tuesday October 4, 2005
US Airways pilots, with an eye on JetBlue, reached a tentative agreement with the airline to operate the Embraer 190 as part of mainline service at a rate that will make the jets competitive with the low-cost carrier that launched the 100-seater."We agreed on a pay rate as well as a restriction to fly only as mainline," Jack Stephan, a spokesperson for the US Airways pilots, told ATWOnline. "That one issue was sent out for member ratification with a strong endorsement to ratify the agreement."
The decision was part of an overall transition agreement between the pilot groups at America West and US Airways, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Assn., as well as management, Stephan explained. The US Airways scope clause prohibited the operation of aircraft with more than 70 seats by Regional partners, but at one point the pilots agreed to allow 190 operations at the now-defunct MidAtlantic division although no 190 orders ever were placed, he said. The Embraer 170 flying originally planned for MidAtlantic has been shifted to partner Republic Airways and the aircraft sold to the independent airline.
"I think the world has changed since we first allowed the 190s to be flown at MidAtlantic," said Stephan. "There was permission to fly them outside the mainline. We had a chance to revisit that issue. It became clear that it was in the best interest of our pilot groups that the airplane not be flown anywhere but the mainline." He said the pilots tied the pay scale for the 190 to the size of the aircraft and the revenue it could generate.
"All we had to do was to point to JetBlue. They don't have a separate division," he noted. "If you are talking seat-mile costs, we can give you a competitive rate and let you fly that on the mainline. I think it's an improvement over what we had."
by Sandra Arnoult
10-04-2005, 01:06 PM
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I just got off the phone with the MEC office. The left seat pay scale tops out at 102 an hour. I did not check all of the years but the 6th year pay is at 87 and change an hour. With mainline benes and work rules, it isn't really a Walmartization in my opinion.
If you want perspective, go work for some dirtbag regional that treats everyone like the 1000 hour CFI who is happy to have a jet and will blow rest and duty regs to keep their job and their 20 to 30 bucks an hour.
If you want perspective, go work for some dirtbag regional that treats everyone like the 1000 hour CFI who is happy to have a jet and will blow rest and duty regs to keep their job and their 20 to 30 bucks an hour.
10-04-2005, 05:52 PM
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CalPilot,
As far as I am concerned, any flying that is done outside of a mainline carrier is lost ground. Anything that is brought back onto a major property is gained ground. Especially at pay rates approaching 90 bucks an hour.
If you have ever worked for a scum bag charter carrier making sub standard wages, flying sub standard under maintained airplanes, and endured pressure from management to exceed legal duty and flight times, then you will know what I am talking about.
Losing ground is caused by the stupidity of ALPA and it's members who:
1. Insist on separate seniority lists between pilot groups thus dividing the
groups and making managements job of diminishing the piloting career
2. Unbelieveable naivety of MEC members who believe they can send line
pilots into a negotiating room up against trained lawyers and
negotiators who do this for a living and are paid to get as much as they
out of your career and mine.
3. And finally who ever opened up the pandoras box of allowing majors to
code share with regionals flying RJs in the first place needs to be
fired from his current job and forced to fly an RJ for one of these
carriers and see how it really is.
I will bet ALPA allowed number 3 simply because it means more dues for them. More pilots, flying more airplanes means more money in the kitty for the boys at the top. But this screwed EVERYONE in the industry. From top to bottom in my opinion.
My two cents,
W
As far as I am concerned, any flying that is done outside of a mainline carrier is lost ground. Anything that is brought back onto a major property is gained ground. Especially at pay rates approaching 90 bucks an hour.
If you have ever worked for a scum bag charter carrier making sub standard wages, flying sub standard under maintained airplanes, and endured pressure from management to exceed legal duty and flight times, then you will know what I am talking about.
Losing ground is caused by the stupidity of ALPA and it's members who:
1. Insist on separate seniority lists between pilot groups thus dividing the
groups and making managements job of diminishing the piloting career
2. Unbelieveable naivety of MEC members who believe they can send line
pilots into a negotiating room up against trained lawyers and
negotiators who do this for a living and are paid to get as much as they
out of your career and mine.
3. And finally who ever opened up the pandoras box of allowing majors to
code share with regionals flying RJs in the first place needs to be
fired from his current job and forced to fly an RJ for one of these
carriers and see how it really is.
I will bet ALPA allowed number 3 simply because it means more dues for them. More pilots, flying more airplanes means more money in the kitty for the boys at the top. But this screwed EVERYONE in the industry. From top to bottom in my opinion.
My two cents,
W
10-04-2005, 09:31 PM
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agree with yu except for #2. negotiations are conducted by alpa lawyers with the negotiating commitee. no negottiating commite can negotiate anything without the alpa lawyer being there ( THE LAWYERS ARE SUPPOSED TO DO THE TALKING).
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