Time for Boeing to replace the 737
04-07-2019, 01:14 PM
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If aerodynamic progress had matched the engine performance and economy improvements over the last 30 years.....we wud be flying around at M2.5. 
The gtf gives huge economic advantage, and is likely going to be fitted to every airframe possible.
The gtf gives huge economic advantage, and is likely going to be fitted to every airframe possible.
04-07-2019, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by hoover
That's an interesting take. Back when Boeing was going to either replace the 737 with a small twin aisle or a new designed 737 I knew a guy in that team for Boeing. I asked him what they were going to do. He told me "whatever sw wants, because we know they'll buy a 1000 of them"
Hence the max
Hence the max
The AA story was in an article recently. They interviewed the Boeing team who went to the meetings with Parker and finally got him to budge on the Airbus order. I had also always assumed it was SWA.
04-07-2019, 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
The AA story was in an article recently. They interviewed the Boeing team who went to the meetings with Parker and finally got him to budge on the Airbus order. I had also always assumed it was SWA.
04-07-2019, 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Actually no, the cost of composite structures on a narrow body can't be made up in fuel savings. You use composites to increase range.
04-07-2019, 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are lots of other updates besides composites including much better alloys and advancements in wing technology. The A320 wing is maxed out.
04-07-2019, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by captjns
The 737 of today is nothing more than the -100 with a bunch of STCs. The -900 with 24K motors is the dog of the fleet.
Boeing, and rightfully so, will have trouble gaining the trust of their customers and traveling public.
Talk about a boost in sales for Airbus, and rightfully so.
Boeing, and rightfully so, will have trouble gaining the trust of their customers and traveling public.
Talk about a boost in sales for Airbus, and rightfully so.
04-07-2019, 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
People will forget this pretty quick. Most have forgot about the 787 battery fire issue. The airlines will run a big promotional about the fix with a fare sale and people will be lined up for cheap flights.
04-07-2019, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by TheWeatherman
Yup, that is exactly what happened. American went to Boeing to give them a heads up to say that on their next narrow body order they are going 100% Airbus. This caught Boeing off guard since American was one of their biggest customers and the implications of a company called "American" was going to buy from a foreign airplane manufacturer. Boeing then realized while they have been concentrating on updating the wide body fleet, they were ignoring the narrow body. They then rushed to put together the 737 max (with all the other stuff to include making it so a new type rating is not required) to compete with the 321neo to try to take that American order back. American compromised and split it 50/50. The rest is history.
They really wanted those Airbi!
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04-07-2019, 07:07 PM
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
The AA story was in an article recently. They interviewed the Boeing team who went to the meetings with Parker and finally got him to budge on the Airbus order. I had also always assumed it was SWA.
They interviewed Parker who made the decision for AMR in 2011?
Tell me more about this meeting...
I'll even do you a solid and provide the press release for this order:
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/d...876/dex992.htm
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04-07-2019, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Mesabah
Maybe, but in the meantime, you can't compete with current airlines that are flying the alternative. That's why you focus on engine technology, where the actual savings is most beneficial. A composite aircraft would double the sticker price of a narrowbody. The fuselage weight is not as significant on a narrow body as it is on a widebody. While the 787 saves 20%, a 737 would save less than 10%.
We will see the 737/A320 in production through the rest of our careers.
We will see the 737/A320 in production through the rest of our careers.
Preceding that could be wing tech similar to how birds can twist their wings to change direction, put down "flaps" etc. They don't use clunky boards that stick up and create drag.
https://youtu.be/bC5BUuDFhmg
https://youtu.be/Lvlucywvtd4
https://interestingengineering.com/m...ne-wing-design
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