Pilot shortage? really?
05-01-2007, 05:36 PM
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I don't remember where I read it, but there's a new concept being tested (Africa/India/China) to take a high school grad with no flying to the right seat of an airliner in 10-12 months. The program consists of about 80 hours in a Diamond single engine, and the the rest of the time in the 737-800 simulator.
Skyhigh-
I agree that our current FAA system is a bit antiquated. I remember studying for my ATP written in 2004 - it seemed biased towards the DC-9 and 727. I don't think you really need to know about P factor to be a good airline pilot. However, I think you need airmanship. You don't build airmanship in the simulator. You build it by flying the line and working your way up in a regional, or by flying military where you upgrade to the left seat of a heavy jet and getting combat experience.
Skyhigh-
I agree that our current FAA system is a bit antiquated. I remember studying for my ATP written in 2004 - it seemed biased towards the DC-9 and 727. I don't think you really need to know about P factor to be a good airline pilot. However, I think you need airmanship. You don't build airmanship in the simulator. You build it by flying the line and working your way up in a regional, or by flying military where you upgrade to the left seat of a heavy jet and getting combat experience.
05-01-2007, 06:04 PM
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The concept of training airline pilots with little real-world experience might work overseas where general aviation is non-existent. A long over-water flight terminating in a straight-in ILS in through Bravo may not require much experience in the system...
But if you're going to drive a 73 or an RJ into a multi-use non-Bravo airport on a Sunday afternoon in SOCAL you'd darn well better have a very good, instinctive handle on how GA works...those bug smashers don't always do what they are supposed to, or expected to.
But if you're going to drive a 73 or an RJ into a multi-use non-Bravo airport on a Sunday afternoon in SOCAL you'd darn well better have a very good, instinctive handle on how GA works...those bug smashers don't always do what they are supposed to, or expected to.
05-01-2007, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Here is my favorate part;
"there is no shortage of pilots in the U.S. to fly commercial jetliners. In fact, there is a pilot surplus. U.S. airlines laid off more than 10,000 pilots after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Many remain out of work, though some are taking jobs in Asia and the Middle East, where the shortage of pilots is most severe."
I would like to go back someday but not for 24K. You guys can use me as an indicator species. If I get hired at a decent company one day then there is really a pilot shortage. Until then ....
SkyHigh
"there is no shortage of pilots in the U.S. to fly commercial jetliners. In fact, there is a pilot surplus. U.S. airlines laid off more than 10,000 pilots after the 2001 terrorist attacks. Many remain out of work, though some are taking jobs in Asia and the Middle East, where the shortage of pilots is most severe."
I would like to go back someday but not for 24K. You guys can use me as an indicator species. If I get hired at a decent company one day then there is really a pilot shortage. Until then ....
SkyHigh
05-01-2007, 06:19 PM
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Hi!
Boeing is starting a new subsidiary that is spearheading a new system of training pilots. They are starting in Australia. Boeing says that, worldwide, there is a need for 17,000 airline pilots per year, for the next 20 years.
cliff
YIP
Boeing is starting a new subsidiary that is spearheading a new system of training pilots. They are starting in Australia. Boeing says that, worldwide, there is a need for 17,000 airline pilots per year, for the next 20 years.
cliff
YIP
05-01-2007, 06:31 PM
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Nope no pilot shortage, the industry has overcapacity right now according to most annalists. Our regionals are flooding the market with aircraft that are not needed. Creating an illusion of a pilot shortage. They can do this because of puppy mills selling the dream of a professional pilot.
This overcapacity leads to lower ticket prices, resulting in lower wages. They found a niche and are exploiting young pilots for a short-term gain.
This overcapacity leads to lower ticket prices, resulting in lower wages. They found a niche and are exploiting young pilots for a short-term gain.
05-02-2007, 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by atpcliff
Hi!
Boeing is starting a new subsidiary that is spearheading a new system of training pilots. They are starting in Australia. Boeing says that, worldwide, there is a need for 17,000 airline pilots per year, for the next 20 years.
cliff
YIP
Boeing is starting a new subsidiary that is spearheading a new system of training pilots. They are starting in Australia. Boeing says that, worldwide, there is a need for 17,000 airline pilots per year, for the next 20 years.
cliff
YIP
http://www.halldale.com/Assets/Files...s/Bell%202.ppt
05-02-2007, 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bla bla bla
Nope no pilot shortage, the industry has overcapacity right now according to most annalists. Our regionals are flooding the market with aircraft that are not needed. Creating an illusion of a pilot shortage. They can do this because of puppy mills selling the dream of a professional pilot.
This overcapacity leads to lower ticket prices, resulting in lower wages. They found a niche and are exploiting young pilots for a short-term gain.
This overcapacity leads to lower ticket prices, resulting in lower wages. They found a niche and are exploiting young pilots for a short-term gain.
05-02-2007, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dundem
Bri85 please tell me that you are joking. The pilot jobs in Africa, Asia and the Middle East all pay far better than a comparable job here in the US. Aviation is one industry that we as Americans do not have to worry about people from other parts of the world undercutting us. Do some research on pay and benefits worldwide and you will soon see how bad things are here in the US.
I don't know about you, but I'd rather not compete with a bunch of EVA type pilots placed in hotels here in the US forced to work under those conditions.
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