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03-19-2021, 02:20 PM

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I just want to be mad at the libs

No I don't want to be mad at the libs, they just make me that way.

03-20-2021, 12:33 AM

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Wait I’m confused. You wanted to be riddled on why EVs don’t pay their fair share, and when they do pay their share, it’s disappointing?

Half of all states in the US have EV registration fees and Texas wants to also a $200 fee on them too. That coincides with Georgia, who has the highest registration fee on EVs.
https://www.myev.com/research/intere...ectric-vehicle

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/bus...0-15725167.php

I’m not disappointed, I just said figures (as in they don’t take it from gas tax, but apparently take it in much higher registration/annual fees).

CA sucks

03-20-2021, 05:20 AM

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Riddle me this, how is it that I pay my share for transportation improvements driving a regular ICE car using the roads, whereas Tesla drivers do not? Pretty sure our car tire rubber wears down over time and cause the same kind of impact to roads. So I subsidize electric car road use?

Tesla drivers use electric power which is taxed by the state like gas. Many states also charge a higher fee for electric vehicle registration. The interesting thing about road upkeep and damage is that the heavier a vehicle is the more damage it causes and this goes up exponentially with weight. If you took the semi trucks and heavier vehicles off the roads lifespan and maintenance costs would improve dramatically. The guy driving the ¾ ton pickup should probably be paying at least 4 times what a guy driving a Honda Accord pays.

03-20-2021, 06:19 AM

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How green is a Tesla in reality? Mining the minerals needed to produce the damn thing pretty much nullifies it in my mind. And what are the plastics made of? Oil.

It's only green during its usable lifespan. The mining of the minerals and the disposal of the batteries are not green at all.

03-20-2021, 09:05 AM

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Tesla drivers use electric power which is taxed by the state like gas.

No. Gas taxes include road infrastructure MX fees. Electricity does not (it does include fees to maintain the grid, but you don't drive on the grid).

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Many states also charge a higher fee for electric vehicle registration.

They should.

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The interesting thing about road upkeep and damage is that the heavier a vehicle is the more damage it causes and this goes up exponentially with weight. If you took the semi trucks and heavier vehicles off the roads lifespan and maintenance costs would improve dramatically. The guy driving the ¾ ton pickup should probably be paying at least 4 times what a guy driving a Honda Accord pays.

That would make sense. Since you would think poor people generally drive smaller cars, I'm surprised they haven't already done that. Or maybe it's already baked into the formula?

03-20-2021, 09:21 AM

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That would make sense. Since you would think poor people generally drive smaller cars, I'm surprised they haven't already done that. Or maybe it's already baked into the formula?

It’s sorta baked into the fact that heavier vehicles generally get worse mileage

03-20-2021, 11:22 AM

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How green is a Tesla in reality? Mining the minerals needed to produce the damn thing pretty much nullifies it in my mind. And what are the plastics made of? Oil.

That why it exists in your mind only. In reality the majority of the "minerals" are mined with no difference than those going into a an ICE car. Lithium makes up less than 1% of the battery pack and is mined the same way as a lot of other minerals are mined. The other components mimic ICE cars with steel or aluminum for body and frame, copper for the myriad of wires, plastics for the interior and harnesses. There is very little difference in the actual makeup of the car other than the propulsion and fuel used and that is where the green comes from. Because unless you are comparing an electric car to walking then there is practically no difference in how the materials are mined when comparing them to other ICE cars.

03-20-2021, 11:26 AM

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It's only green during its usable lifespan. The mining of the minerals and the disposal of the batteries are not green at all.

what does the lifecycle environmental impact look like vs a comparable non-EV new car?

03-20-2021, 11:30 AM

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No. Gas taxes include road infrastructure MX fees. Electricity does not (it does include fees to maintain the grid, but you don't drive on the grid).

They should.

That would make sense. Since you would think poor people generally drive smaller cars, I'm surprised they haven't already done that. Or maybe it's already baked into the formula?

One of the benefits of EV is the lack of smog and having a much cleaner source of energy. So, while not all EV pay for the roads they also don't contribute near as much to the carcinogens and pollutions spewed by ICE cars that cause a myriad of raspatory and health problems. How much of a tax should the ICE drivers be made to pay to make up for the health problems they cause?

I also don't see many EV people saying they shouldn't pay for their use on the roads but to pay a higher amount than what is collected by the gas tax is just a cash grab by greedy politicians.

03-20-2021, 11:37 AM

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It's only green during its usable lifespan. The mining of the minerals and the disposal of the batteries are not green at all.

All of Tesla batteries have been recycled and as more EV hit the road it will become common to have recycling centers for them.

Take the comparison of when we first transitioned from wood to steel as a building material. Did you see a ton of metal recycling centers when that happened? No, but eventually there was enough product out their that needs recycling to open the scrap yards and now they dot the landscape all over the country.

We are just now seeing a large amount of car battery packs enter into the marketplace and since most have a lifespan of 20+ years we just aren't going to see a lot of recycling centers yet. But since it cost 70% less to recover the metals in a battery than it does to mine, ship and process them we can be assured that they will be recycled when the time comes.