OnGuard!! please help me
12-29-2019, 07:02 AM
#11
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Rarely but occasionally someone keys the mic on the wrong freq. Unintentional, and it's worth a collateral laugh. I don't mind playoff scores personally, although you can just get that from center.
The meowing is just stooopid. It was funny for about a wek after Super Troopers was released, but that was a good while ago
The most annoying thing is the "on guard"s, because those idiots do it when people are actually using guard for it's purpose, getting someone back on their freq or an actual emergency. I have actually heard, on two occasions, emergency GA aircraft in serious distress and people trying to help them getting stomped all over by "guard nazis".
I'm certain 90% of the "guard nazis" are doing it to make people *think* someone is being anal, it cannot possibly all be DL.
There are several things I like about flying in the west and not having to listen to that crap is one of them.
The meowing is just stooopid. It was funny for about a wek after Super Troopers was released, but that was a good while ago
The most annoying thing is the "on guard"s, because those idiots do it when people are actually using guard for it's purpose, getting someone back on their freq or an actual emergency. I have actually heard, on two occasions, emergency GA aircraft in serious distress and people trying to help them getting stomped all over by "guard nazis".
I'm certain 90% of the "guard nazis" are doing it to make people *think* someone is being anal, it cannot possibly all be DL.
There are several things I like about flying in the west and not having to listen to that crap is one of them.
12-31-2019, 03:27 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Regardless, it's just a matter of time until this problem is resolved. A fed on the JS told me last year that the FAA had plans for DF equipment on the center antennas so eventually they will be able to triangulate and identify the offending aircraft and violate the crew.
12-31-2019, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
Regardless, it's just a matter of time until this problem is resolved. A fed on the JS told me last year that the FAA had plans for DF equipment on the center antennas so eventually they will be able to triangulate and identify the offending aircraft and violate the crew.
12-31-2019, 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by gollum
Yea good luck with that. The precision need to identify a specific Aircraft in a 3D environment using DF equipment is not something that really exists right now and so depending on how far from the receiving stations the aircraft is and the Length of the transmission, one would have to potentially be the only aircraft for 100 miles in any direction for them to be able to pinpoint it with any level of certainly that would hold up in court.
12-31-2019, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by gollum
Yea good luck with that. The precision need to identify a specific Aircraft in a 3D environment using DF equipment is not something that really exists right now and so depending on how far from the receiving stations the aircraft is and the Length of the transmission, one would have to potentially be the only aircraft for 100 miles in any direction for them to be able to pinpoint it with any level of certainly that would hold up in court.
I sure hope it doesn't take until we go to digital radios to work it out.
I'll also point out that the fact that the guard nonsense is only on the east coast not only helps not only support it not being mainline pilots but narrows down specific regionals as primary culprits.
12-31-2019, 07:17 PM
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Heard a long PA on guard last month that sounded a little staged. When I landed I searched the flight number and that flight number was not being used that day ( it was a Delta flight number). So I think guys are just doing this crap in some strange attempt to troll Delta.
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12-31-2019, 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by gollum
Yea good luck with that. The precision need to identify a specific Aircraft in a 3D environment using DF equipment is not something that really exists right now and so depending on how far from the receiving stations the aircraft is and the Length of the transmission, one would have to potentially be the only aircraft for 100 miles in any direction for them to be able to pinpoint it with any level of certainly that would hold up in court.
https://www.liveatc.net/archive.php
So you track back to those transmissions where those aircraft have given their call sign, or previous flights those aircrew have made until you find a voice match with the guard-jamming transmissions:
https://www.audioforensicexpert.com/...dentification/
With only a dozen or so possibilities, it would be very easy to determine who the actual culprit crew was/is.
As for legalities:
The Communications Act of 1934
Section 301 – requires persons operating or using radio transmitters to be licensed or authorized under the Commission’s rules (47 U.S.C. § 301)
Section 333 – prohibits willful or malicious interference with the radio communications of any station licensed or authorized under the Act or operated by the U.S. Government (47 U.S.C. § 333)
Section 503 – allows the FCC to impose forfeitures for willful or repeated violations of the Communications Act, the Commission’s rules, regulations or related orders, as well as for violations of the terms and conditions of any license, certificate or other Commission authorization, among other things (47 U.S.C. § 503)
Section 301 – requires persons operating or using radio transmitters to be licensed or authorized under the Commission’s rules (47 U.S.C. § 301)
Section 333 – prohibits willful or malicious interference with the radio communications of any station licensed or authorized under the Act or operated by the U.S. Government (47 U.S.C. § 333)
Section 503 – allows the FCC to impose forfeitures for willful or repeated violations of the Communications Act, the Commission’s rules, regulations or related orders, as well as for violations of the terms and conditions of any license, certificate or other Commission authorization, among other things (47 U.S.C. § 503)
And seriously, do you think any major airline is going to even touch you if they find out you’ve been effin’ up an EMERGENCY frequency? Especially if the FCC pulls your radio license? Or that even a regional is going to keep you around if you are doing it with their equipment?
All they have to do is nail one or two miscreants and terminate their careers and the others will start to behave.
12-31-2019, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by gollum
Yea good luck with that. The precision need to identify a specific Aircraft in a 3D environment using DF equipment is not something that really exists right now and so depending on how far from the receiving stations the aircraft is and the Length of the transmission, one would have to potentially be the only aircraft for 100 miles in any direction for them to be able to pinpoint it with any level of certainly that would hold up in court.
Only have to do it once probably, indict one moron and revoke his certs and the problem will go away.
It's only a question of do they want to do it badly enough.
Last edited by rickair7777; 12-31-2019 at 08:43 PM.
