Originally Posted by BoilerUP (Post 2949087)

“Kicking the can” in 2007 helped bring the industry to the quote-unquote pilot shortage operators lagging in compensation and QOL are experiencing today.

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2949076)

Not happening anytime soon (in the US).

But I fully expect that we'll get to 67-68 in the US within ten years or so. I think it will be much harder to go beyond that for 121.

The rationale for age 65 doesn't change too much at age 67, and there will likely be a big political push, especially if airlines struggle to meet demand because of retirements.

Keep in mind that retirement-induced pilot shortages at the big boys probably has more to do with simulator/training capacity than age 65 itself. Creating a new source of ab initio pilots for example may not solve the problem...

If you retire a (typically very senior) guy at age 65 at a multi-fleet airline and replace him with a new guy you generate a LOT of training events across multiple fleets. In addition to sim capacity issues, you just took a bunch of pilots off line for several months. Even with a suitable noob waiting in the wings, you've still probably lost an effective man-year of pilot availability. Keeping the old guy dilutes that problem or at least kicks the can.

The industry will kick the can if they haven't come up with a better solution, and their political cronies will back them up unless there's some good high-profile reason not to.

Originally Posted by Unicornpilot (Post 2948836)

American Airlines' Flight Information Manual, Chapter 18, page 18-42, the new revision created a new section for the scheduling requirements for pilots age 65 and older.

Further reports indicate Delta Air lines will dramatically slow down pilot hiring in 2020 because of the pending increase in the mandatory commercial air transport pilot (CAT) retirement age.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 2948859)

So? What about those who spent an additional 5 yrs in the right seat of the RJ because of age 65?

Originally Posted by Unicornpilot (Post 2948978)

Everything I posted is a fact including the ICAO PowerPoint presentations, the reference to the new age limit in American Airlines’ FOM, the new ICAO reg for above age 65 flying, and the New FAA reg, etc.

Yes the medical group contracted in 2017/18 to provide a risk assessment of flying over age 65 recommended to not increase the age limit. However, the regulators and AMEs are moving forward with the age change per the timeline I described from the different PUBLIC sources.

Expect the age change to occur simultaneously around the world in early 2020 with the change attached to a current bill in Congress.

Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 2948906)

The slide talks about an increase from age 60 to 65. I see nothing about an increase from 65 to 68.

Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot (Post 2949222)

Then how come I haven’t seen one single call to action against this from Alpa?

Secondary barriers but nothing on a retirement age increase. I would think an age increase would be an important issue to members and one that we would collectively be against.

This pilot shortage is overblown. When regionals are paying rj captains $300k and not finding pilots we might have a shortage. Until then it’s just lack of pay. Time to pay up!!!