Delta runway incursion JFK
01-11-2020, 09:55 AM
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Delta runway incursion JFK
This can’t be good.
Doesn’t look like he read back the hold short clearance. Perhaps tower should have asked him to read back the gold short clearance. Not sure why the pilot argues that he read back cleared to cross?
Not the first time someone has crossed at that intersection without permission. Something more needs to be changed to prevent these types of incursions.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc
Doesn’t look like he read back the hold short clearance. Perhaps tower should have asked him to read back the gold short clearance. Not sure why the pilot argues that he read back cleared to cross?
Not the first time someone has crossed at that intersection without permission. Something more needs to be changed to prevent these types of incursions.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc
01-11-2020, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Not the first time someone has crossed at that intersection without permission. Something more needs to be changed to prevent these types of incursions.
01-11-2020, 10:54 AM
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I missed the hold short clearance the first time I listened. The controller shouldn’t combine a hold short clearance with a question about the gate number. Get the hold short read back then ask the gate.
01-11-2020, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
This can’t be good.
Doesn’t look like he read back the hold short clearance. Perhaps tower should have asked him to read back the gold short clearance. Not sure why the pilot argues that he read back cleared to cross?
Not the first time someone has crossed at that intersection without permission. Something more needs to be changed to prevent these types of incursions.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc
Doesn’t look like he read back the hold short clearance. Perhaps tower should have asked him to read back the gold short clearance. Not sure why the pilot argues that he read back cleared to cross?
Not the first time someone has crossed at that intersection without permission. Something more needs to be changed to prevent these types of incursions.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI2rJhdvguc
EDIT: Listened to it. Inexcusable. Even after the incident wasn't providing a proper read back. Cute military "Roger" though.
01-11-2020, 01:32 PM
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Relatively honest mistake, but he didn't read back any runway clearance. Agree poor technique on the part of ATC, she needs to make sure she gets ALL of the readbacks if she's going to mix critical comms with admin.
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