Good Riddance (ESAs to be Banned)
01-23-2020, 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by C130driver
This is how weak society has become, people need “emotional support” animals because they are too immature or uneducated to handle the stresses of life. This is what happens when you give everyone participation trophies and tell them they are all equal in outcome. I love my dog more than the next person but if you need an emotional support animal on a flight, you need some serious mental help.
Either way, good riddance to them.
01-23-2020, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by morerightrudder
Most people who bring ESAs don't really need them. It's just a convenient excuse to bring your pet for free. Glad the FAA and airlines are trying to crack down.
01-23-2020, 12:10 PM
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Wonder if the increase in ESA dogs/cats would've happened if we hadn't killed so many animals in our cargo holds?
There were some horrific instances of passenger's dear pets getting snuffed in airliners due to various levels of ramper/planner/pilot incompetence.
There were some horrific instances of passenger's dear pets getting snuffed in airliners due to various levels of ramper/planner/pilot incompetence.
01-23-2020, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SparrowBird
How long before a lawsuit?
If you don't like a reg, have to prove it's illegal.
Don't like a law, have to prove it's unconstitutional.
01-23-2020, 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes
I went pretty far into this before, ESAs ARE considered service animals, although they have a few different requirements and the airlines have a little more power with them, they are included in the law as a subset of service animals. It's always referred to as ESA/PSA in the law. That's one of the big hangups currently, and yes, they are also supposed to be trained. The airlines can request records of their training to be sure they won't pose a threat to other people in the cabin, but the airlines tend to not train their people and enforce these rules much, passing it off to the cabin crew.
Go into the previous Notice of Proposed Rulemaking and Final Rule comments on the current transportation service animal law, this is where the above information comes from.
Go into the previous Notice of Proposed Rulemaking and Final Rule comments on the current transportation service animal law, this is where the above information comes from.
ESAs are only grouped in with "service animals" on airplanes. They are not service animals under the ADA or any other federal law, they were just allowed during the ACA, so no they are not "service animals." Although, this is why people started to think they could bring their ESAs into supermarkets and other areas where pets are banned but service animals have to be permitted.
01-23-2020, 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
ESAs are only grouped in with "service animals" on airplanes. They are not service animals under the ADA or any other federal law, they were just allowed during the ACA, so no they are not "service animals." Although, this is why people started to think they could bring their ESAs into supermarkets and other areas where pets are banned but service animals have to be permitted.
DOT docket OST-2004-19482 states that emotional support/psychiatric support service animals are considered to be a category of service animals in the Guidance Concerning Service Animals section after the Appendices, page 46 within the document, under the heading “Service Animals”:
Also, an animal used for emotional support need not have specific training for that function. Similar to an animal that has been individually trained, the definition of a service animal includes: An animal that has been shown to have the innate ability to assist a person with a disability; or an emotional support animal.
The DOT document was evidently based on 1996 guidance from the ADA. If you want the full story, look up OST-2004-19482 and go from there.
01-24-2020, 05:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
ESAs are only grouped in with "service animals" on airplanes. They are not service animals under the ADA or any other federal law, they were just allowed during the ACA, so no they are not "service animals." Although, this is why people started to think they could bring their ESAs into supermarkets and other areas where pets are banned but service animals have to be permitted.
01-25-2020, 07:52 PM
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At some point size does matter. If something happens and a mini horse that’s not strapped in Wacks the seat in front of it due to a ditching. Is the seat rated for that? Hopefully everyone can step over the horse but good luck to grandma and her walker during the evac.
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