Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 3017408)
Thanks for the thoughtful comments, there have been cases where a kid took a parent’s gun, but those are pretty isolated too.
The reality is none of what you identified would have stopped most mass shooters, and that is the challenge. How do we do that? That’s why people focus on the weapons themselves. Maybe it won’t stop the shooter, but having to reload might limit the lives lost until police arrive. This is balanced against the benefit to society of 20 or 30-round magazines, which let’s face it, is hard to make a case for. Of course, then we may just drive up the traffic in illegal magazines, but... |
Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 3017408)
That’s why people focus on the weapons themselves. Maybe it won’t stop the shooter, but having to reload might limit the lives lost until police arrive. This is balanced against the benefit to society of 20 or 30-round magazines, which let’s face it, is hard to make a case for.
Of course, then we may just drive up the traffic in illegal magazines, but... https://youtu.be/x7Sr6tSZhDM There’s others that can do it even faster. |
Originally Posted by SaintNick
(Post 3017555)
I’m sorry but my home defense handgun has a 17 magazine limit and it isn’t even extended. Do you not see how a magazine limit doesn’t effect much when it takes me maybe a second and a half to change out a magazine.
I’ve got a Glock too, and it’s not much at Vegas shooter ranges. A 9mm is not as ballistically destructive as .223. If we focus on the real issue - balancing police power and public safety v. Public utility, it’s a tough case to make. Sure, one can argue that “it’s my 2d amendment right” or “cops get 30 round mags, why shouldn’t I”? I’m not arguing either side of those points. But those arguments are NOT making kids safer in schools. And that will decide what happens. Because if we aren’t reasonable, and focus on solutions, eventually we will get solutions we won’t have any influence on and we may not like. I say be part of the solution. You’re not giving up any rights by protecting kids in schools...and if you are, what kind of right would it be? |
Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 3017689)
I’ve got a Glock too, and it’s not much at Vegas shooter ranges. A 9mm is not as ballistically destructive as .223.
If we focus on the real issue - balancing police power and public safety v. Public utility, it’s a tough case to make. Sure, one can argue that “it’s my 2d amendment right” or “cops get 30 round mags, why shouldn’t I”? I’m not arguing either side of those points. But those arguments are NOT making kids safer in schools. And that will decide what happens. Because if we aren’t reasonable, and focus on solutions, eventually we will get solutions we won’t have any influence on and we may not like. I say be part of the solution. You’re not giving up any rights by protecting kids in schools...and if you are, what kind of right would it be? |
Originally Posted by SaintNick
(Post 3017555)
I’m sorry but my home defense handgun has a 17 magazine limit and it isn’t even extended. Do you not see how a magazine limit doesn’t effect much when it takes me maybe a second and a half to change out a magazine.
I’ve got a Glock too, and it’s not much at Vegas shooter ranges. A 9mm is not as ballistically destructive as .223. If we focus on the real issue - balancing police power and public safety v. Public utility, it’s a tough case to make. Sure, one can argue that “it’s my 2d amendment right” or “cops get 30 round mags, why shouldn’t I”? I’m not arguing either side of those points. But those arguments are NOT making kids safer in schools. And that will decide what happens. Because if we aren’t reasonable, and focus on solutions, eventually we will get solutions we won’t have any influence on and we may not like. I say be part of the solution. You’re not giving up any rights by protecting kids in schools...and if you are, what kind of right would it be? |
Do what Israel does and be done with it. (Classroom)
While they are geographically surrounded by enemies, we are targets as well and soon forget it’s not just foreign as well as domestic. Virginia was pushed nearly to the limit on gun control this year. Thankfully their patriots did not forget what their state flag represented - and that’s what it’s all about. |
Originally Posted by majorpilot
(Post 3017761)
I’ve got a Glock too, and it’s not much at Vegas shooter ranges. A 9mm is not as ballistically destructive as .223.
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