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Old 03-25-2020, 06:29 PM
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Airlines to get loans, cash-for-equity bailouts
  • Struggling U.S. airlines would be eligible to receive federal loans and direct cash assistance if they are willing to give an option for an ownership stake to the government. The program allocates $25 billion to passenger carriers and $3 billion to airline contractors providing ground staff such as caterers, while cargo haulers would see $4 billion.
  • The addition of direct cash relief, earmarked for payrolls, was sought by airline and industry unions, which feared massive job losses if loans were the only option. The legislation does not include emissions limits for airplanes that were sought by House Democrats, Senator Pat Toomey, a Pennsylvania Republican, said on a press call.
  • Other transportation winners include rail and transit operators. Amtrak would get $1.02 billion to cover coronavirus-related revenue losses and support state-funded routes.
  • Here is the controversial section on "air carrier or contractor" bailouts:
To be eligible for financial assistance under this subtitle, an air carrier or contractor shall enter into an agreement with the Secretary, or otherwise certify in such form and manner as the Secretary shall prescribe, that the air carrier or contractor shall— (1) refrain from conducting involuntary furloughs or reducing pay rates and benefits until September 30, 2020; (2) through September 30, 2021, ensure that neither the air carrier or contractor nor any affiliate of the air carrier or contractor may, in any transaction, purchase an equity security of the air carrier or contractor or the parent company of the air carrier or contractor that is listed on a national securities exchange; (3) through September 30, 2021, ensure that the air carrier or contractor shall not pay dividends, or make other capital distributions, with respect to the common stock (or equivalent interest) of the air carrier or contractor.
  • No surprises here either: an aircraft company getting bailout funds will not be allowed to fire workers or cut wages, nor pursue M&A or engage in buybacks and dividends.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:31 PM
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Is it likely the airlines will take this? The cost of keeping everyone on the payroll without cutting pay rates for 6 months, when only a small portion of your fleet is flying, and you have few passengers has to be astronomical. I guess if you thought everything was going to pick up shortly it would be worth it, but if it doesn’t, I’m wondering if this is too costly for them to accept.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:40 PM
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Is it likely the airlines will take this? The cost of keeping everyone on the payroll without cutting pay rates for 6 months, when only a small portion of your fleet is flying, and you have few passengers has to be astronomical. I guess if you thought everything was going to pick up shortly it would be worth it, but if it doesn’t, I’m wondering if this is too costly for them to accept.
Isn't that what the $25,000,000,000 is for?
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Isn't that what the $25,000,000,000 is for?
I’m sure there are far more expenses and losses than just payroll. Plus they have to give the government equity and abide by other restrictions. I’m not certain the airlines will accept this, I wouldn’t put it past them to just furlough, and declare bankruptcy when they need to.

I am merely asking the question of what people think they will do. I have no idea.🙁
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They will take the money. What they are getting is what they basically asked for in that letter they sent to Congress

What CEO wants to be remembered as the guy to turn down free money to pay his employees instead said **** it just put them on the street
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Old 03-25-2020, 09:26 PM
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They will take the money. What they are getting is what they basically asked for in that letter they sent to Congress

What CEO wants to be remembered as the guy to turn down free money to pay his employees instead said **** it just put them on the street
Yep. It’s what the asked for, and basically the conditions they promised.
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Old 03-25-2020, 09:36 PM
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Still has to pass the house.
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Old 03-25-2020, 09:49 PM
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What does no reducing pay rates mean? Is it talking about actual pay rates or is it saying we’ll make the same take home pay as before regardless of not flying with parked planes? I mean that’s a good deal if true but a big taxpayer waste.
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What does no reducing pay rates mean? Is it talking about actual pay rates or is it saying we’ll make the same take home pay as before regardless of not flying with parked planes? I mean that’s a good deal if true but a big taxpayer waste.
I share those thoughts and I wonder how bloated that payroll will be. I feel a second stimulus may be needed for the Everyman before it’s all done and will pull us out of the blues in time for the holidays. Curious like how Delta saying they will emerge a smaller carrier will cause some to reconsider the offer. I’d bet if one CEO balks they all will. They all seem like such followers. You say who would turn it down, but if one does they all might. I’m still optimistic that they’ll dive for cash.

Does provision 2 prevent consolidation before September 2021 or is that strictly in reference to buy backs?
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Old 03-25-2020, 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by 5and20 View Post
To be eligible for financial assistance under this subtitle, an air carrier or contractor shall enter into an agreement with the Secretary, or otherwise certify in such form and manner as the Secretary shall prescribe, that the air carrier or contractor shall— (1) refrain from conducting involuntary furloughs or reducing pay rates and benefits until September 30, 2020
I'll see you all on OCT 1st my friends.... This post will age well.
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