The US economy has come to a standstill
03-31-2020, 02:32 PM
#151
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Originally Posted by Aldo Raine
Who said anything about involving the military? Only you guys.
To the national security professionals who are familiar with this stuff (which includes me), the only justifications for that sort of federal action (legal or historical precedent) would be a major war of the "all in" variety, riots, insurrection, or collapse/incapacitation of civilian government. We are nowhere near any of that stuff. This is tinfoil hat stuff.
03-31-2020, 02:33 PM
#152
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain
I believe we are entering into a politics discussion, are we not Rick ?
03-31-2020, 06:49 PM
#153
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Martial law would be a disastrous idea, we are the land of the free home of brave, everyone comes from different backgrounds, cultures, traditions and educations.
I'm a firm believer of the guidance and recommendations and it's up to the people to take it or leave it. The more education that comes out of why they exist helps. We should count on our fellow Americans to deal with the issue in a American way that is unique to many parts of the world. Alot has happened threw history that shows we were very slow to get going but once awoken a tremendous force to be reckoned with.
I'm a firm believer of the guidance and recommendations and it's up to the people to take it or leave it. The more education that comes out of why they exist helps. We should count on our fellow Americans to deal with the issue in a American way that is unique to many parts of the world. Alot has happened threw history that shows we were very slow to get going but once awoken a tremendous force to be reckoned with.
03-31-2020, 08:41 PM
#154
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Colorado governor hit it on the head...
"The greatest generation stormed the beaches at Normandy and families turned in their pots and pans to be melted down. We’re asking you to give up getting a haircut or mani pedi for two weeks and to stay at home."
Agreed the country needs to come together.
"The greatest generation stormed the beaches at Normandy and families turned in their pots and pans to be melted down. We’re asking you to give up getting a haircut or mani pedi for two weeks and to stay at home."
Agreed the country needs to come together.
03-31-2020, 09:05 PM
#155
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Originally Posted by C130driver
Polis is your typical smoother talker but no logic kind of dude. It’s not as simple as giving up haircuts, people are out of jobs and income which on the aggregate will have a lot worse effect than the virus itself. Not saying we shouldn’t take precautions, social distancing etc but it’s not as simple as mani pedi’s which I’m sure he’s into
03-31-2020, 09:07 PM
#156
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Originally Posted by C130driver
Polis is your typical smoother talker but no logic kind of dude. It’s not as simple as giving up haircuts, people are out of jobs and income which on the aggregate will have a lot worse effect than the virus itself. Not saying we shouldn’t take precautions, social distancing etc but it’s not as simple as mani pedi’s which I’m sure he’s into
03-31-2020, 09:49 PM
#157
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
It's nowhere near as simple as "greed vs. death". There's more to it than just that...
1. Fundamental liberties. Everyone loses many of their constitutional rights for the duration because someone else *might* get sick and die? We do not have a constitutional requirement to sacrifice almost everything for the benefit of others. The moral debate is separate and will play out in the political arena.
2. Even more importantly, economic malaise (especially severe malaise) will extract it's own toll in suffering, health, and death. Hard to quantify that, but IMO it will very quickly outweigh the misery of COVID. You actually can quantify suicide deaths, and if you kill the economy for ten years you're going to be looking at hundreds of thousands of additional suicides (a quick glance at the statistics tells you that).
And if the economic problems lead to a big war somewhere, all bets are off in the death and suffering department. The US military would be front and center in almost any major conflict (geopolitical interests and/or treaties), but the real toll would likely be on the civilian side.
If you haven't lived through or studied some historical disruptions, it's easy to take the "Pax Americana" for granted.
1. Fundamental liberties. Everyone loses many of their constitutional rights for the duration because someone else *might* get sick and die? We do not have a constitutional requirement to sacrifice almost everything for the benefit of others. The moral debate is separate and will play out in the political arena.
2. Even more importantly, economic malaise (especially severe malaise) will extract it's own toll in suffering, health, and death. Hard to quantify that, but IMO it will very quickly outweigh the misery of COVID. You actually can quantify suicide deaths, and if you kill the economy for ten years you're going to be looking at hundreds of thousands of additional suicides (a quick glance at the statistics tells you that).
And if the economic problems lead to a big war somewhere, all bets are off in the death and suffering department. The US military would be front and center in almost any major conflict (geopolitical interests and/or treaties), but the real toll would likely be on the civilian side.
If you haven't lived through or studied some historical disruptions, it's easy to take the "Pax Americana" for granted.
Oh, and everyone cannot or will not simultaneously stay isolated in their home in the literal sense for 2 weeks straight. Its just NOT happening...even as the panic supposedly grows. Social distance in your car with the windows rolled up, 3 masks on, and bathed in hand sanitizer and just look around!! See the folks out for walks, getting food, going to work, chatting with others, getting gas...this where these herd argument theories fall apart in real life. Don't shoot the messenger.
03-31-2020, 11:12 PM
#159
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Originally Posted by majorpilot
To you and everyone like this:
Put a dollar figure on YOUR life. Start there. What are YOU worth?
Take a moment, really try. What do you make? Who is dependent on you? What value do YOU add to our shared existence?
Then move to your closest family members. What’s Grandma worth? Mom? Uncle Joe? Junior?
When you’ve done that, post it. BE the example. Let’s see YOUR analysis. That will give us a starting point. We can decide how far off you are. Who knows, you might be on to something.
Are YOU up for your own challenge? Put a value on YOUR life and those of YOUR loved ones, and put it here.
When you do that, we can have a conversation. We are waiting.
Put a dollar figure on YOUR life. Start there. What are YOU worth?
Take a moment, really try. What do you make? Who is dependent on you? What value do YOU add to our shared existence?
Then move to your closest family members. What’s Grandma worth? Mom? Uncle Joe? Junior?
When you’ve done that, post it. BE the example. Let’s see YOUR analysis. That will give us a starting point. We can decide how far off you are. Who knows, you might be on to something.
Are YOU up for your own challenge? Put a value on YOUR life and those of YOUR loved ones, and put it here.
When you do that, we can have a conversation. We are waiting.
Ask the insurance underwriters for airlines. They have put values on what your baby, toddler, child, teenager, mom, dad, grandma, and grandpa are worth.
04-01-2020, 02:07 AM
#160
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Originally Posted by ShyGuy
Ask the insurance underwriters for airlines. They have put values on what your baby, toddler, child, teenager, mom, dad, grandma, and grandpa are worth.
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