Originally Posted by block30

Yes thank you Rickair. In life there are choices between lesser of evils. I wish people would knock it off with their appeals to emotion or acting like one side is blatantly obvious and angelic and the other fueled by pure simple greed. Grow up.

Oh, and everyone cannot or will not simultaneously stay isolated in their home in the literal sense for 2 weeks straight. Its just NOT happening...even as the panic supposedly grows. Social distance in your car with the windows rolled up, 3 masks on, and bathed in hand sanitizer and just look around!! See the folks out for walks, getting food, going to work, chatting with others, getting gas...this where these herd argument theories fall apart in real life. Don't shoot the messenger.

Originally Posted by rickair7777

It's nowhere near as simple as "greed vs. death". There's more to it than just that...

1. Fundamental liberties. Everyone loses many of their constitutional rights for the duration because someone else *might* get sick and die? We do not have a constitutional requirement to sacrifice almost everything for the benefit of others. The moral debate is separate and will play out in the political arena.

2. Even more importantly, economic malaise (especially severe malaise) will extract it's own toll in suffering, health, and death. Hard to quantify that, but IMO it will very quickly outweigh the misery of COVID. You actually can quantify suicide deaths, and if you kill the economy for ten years you're going to be looking at hundreds of thousands of additional suicides (a quick glance at the statistics tells you that).

And if the economic problems lead to a big war somewhere, all bets are off in the death and suffering department. The US military would be front and center in almost any major conflict (geopolitical interests and/or treaties), but the real toll would likely be on the civilian side.

If you haven't lived through or studied some historical disruptions, it's easy to take the "Pax Americana" for granted.

Originally Posted by Tom Bradys Cat

You missed the point. I dont have a position on this topic right now that is of any value to anyone. I have waxed and waned continually; and from my own confused position I have reflected and realised that I am just as full of BS as everyone else on here.

Hey if I valued my life Id say.....maybe $200k. My family may say more. My insurance company certainly has a figure. Who cares what I think about MY value to society....afterall its likely over inflated. In the grand scheme of things the world will go on if I dissapear.

Im not talking individual worth. Im talking big numbers. Lives in general, not names and faces.

Point being YOU nor anyone else can claim that we should shut down the economy at all (or unknown) cost. At the same time no one can claim that we should take a free range approach without knowing the true cost.

Engage with the problem at hand rather than taking an extreme view based on fear and the unknown. Im not saying your wrong at all.... Im just saying that you have made a big call based on a feeling. As has the onther end of the spectrum.

Valuing life sux... But its done all the time. Seatbelts in planes cost money yeah, but all passangers get a lap sash. Aviation safety costs money yeah? The list goes on.... The differenece this time is that it is visceral, rapid and wide spread.

Originally Posted by block30

Yes thank you Rickair. In life there are choices between lesser of evils. I wish people would knock it off with their appeals to emotion or acting like one side is blatantly obvious and angelic and the other fueled by pure simple greed. Grow up.

Oh, and everyone cannot or will not simultaneously stay isolated in their home in the literal sense for 2 weeks straight. Its just NOT happening...even as the panic supposedly grows. Social distance in your car with the windows rolled up, 3 masks on, and bathed in hand sanitizer and just look around!! See the folks out for walks, getting food, going to work, chatting with others, getting gas...this where these herd argument theories fall apart in real life. Don't shoot the messenger.

Originally Posted by Barley

Seems to be a lot of folks criticizing the country’s response to this virus that aren’t offering any alternative solution other than “let’s just go back to work and watch 2 million Americans die.” By-in-large these voices are the same people that believed it was a hoax, no big deal, just a cold, and/or a political conspiracy from January to when it exploded in the USA in late March. Now that ineptitude and foolishness have come to fruition you’d rather just shrug your shoulders and say tough luck to millions of lives?

Originally Posted by Andy

What an ignorant post.

I've written before. Apply common sense. Isolate those in high risk categories and let the rest of the country keep working. Too complex for you to understand?

Originally Posted by OOfff

that isn’t an answer, because the low risk people will still carry and spread it and high risk people can’t avoid all contact for 18 months while waiting for a vaccine. There’s a reason most epidemiologists don’t advocate that plan.

Originally Posted by rld1k

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Most epidemiologists aren't economists and if you ask a doctor for the worst case scenario this is what will happen.

Originally Posted by Andy

What an ignorant post.

I've written before. Apply common sense. Isolate those in high risk categories and let the rest of the country keep working. Too complex for you to understand?

Originally Posted by C130driver

Polis is your typical smoother talker but no logic kind of dude. It’s not as simple as giving up haircuts, people are out of jobs and income which on the aggregate will have a lot worse effect than the virus itself. Not saying we shouldn’t take precautions, social distancing etc but it’s not as simple as mani pedi’s which I’m sure he’s into