Bailout Grant Strings Are Too Much
I appreciate the House of Representatives for pushing to add grants in addition to the loans provided by the senate. However, after looking at all the strings attached to the grants, I wonder if many airlines will choose to skip the grants all together (which unfortunately means employee furloughs before October 1). Here are just some of the onerous strings that are attached to taking the grant money.
The grants are only equal to 6 months of payroll, and airlines are handcuffed from cutting pay or furloughing anyone during that time. That means that we are not getting a dime to help out with all the other major expenses (Aircraft payments, landing fees, maintenance, rent, fuel (if the load factor doesn't cover the cost), etc... That is unsustainable with no revenue. Like it or not, airlines would be way better off financially if they were able to lay off surplus employees while demand is way down, and use grant money to handle other expenses that cannot go down. I'm not saying I want to get furloughed, but I also want to have a solvent airline to come back to. The treasury department is requesting that airlines maintain a minimum level of service, which is well above what airlines would normally be flying. Yesterday, 154,000 passengers passed through TSA. This day last year, it was 2.36 million. So passenger traffic is down almost 95%.https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput . That is why airplanes are flying around so empty. This is also unsustainable. Senators are now requesting that airlines issue full cash refunds to passengers who hold airline tickets rather than issuing them a credit to be used later. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21I2UU The Treasury Department has also stated that they plan to take equity stakes in any airlines that accept the grant money. What does that mean for us going forward? I hope all airlines are looking real closely at these strings, and honestly I see several major airlines NOT taking the grant money. |
Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 3018688)
I appreciate the House of Representatives for pushing to add grants in addition to the loans provided by the senate. However, after looking at all the strings attached to the grants, I wonder if many airlines will choose to skip the grants all together (which unfortunately means employee furloughs before October 1). Here are just some of the onerous strings that are attached to taking the grant money.
The grants are only equal to 6 months of payroll, and airlines are handcuffed from cutting pay or furloughing anyone during that time. That means that we are not getting a dime to help out with all the other major expenses (Aircraft payments, landing fees, maintenance, rent, fuel (if the load factor doesn't cover the cost), etc... That is unsustainable with no revenue. Like it or not, airlines would be way better off financially if they were able to lay off surplus employees while demand is way down, and use grant money to handle other expenses that cannot go down. I'm not saying I want to get furloughed, but I also want to have a solvent airline to come back to. The treasury department is requesting that airlines maintain a minimum level of service, which is well above what airlines would normally be flying. Yesterday, 154,000 passengers passed through TSA. This day last year, it was 2.36 million. So passenger traffic is down almost 95%.https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput . That is why airplanes are flying around so empty. This is also unsustainable. Senators are now requesting that airlines issue full cash refunds to passengers who hold airline tickets rather than issuing them a credit to be used later. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21I2UU The Treasury Department has also stated that they plan to take equity stakes in any airlines that accept the grant money. What does that mean for us going forward? I hope all airlines are looking real closely at these strings, and honestly I see several major airlines NOT taking the grant money. |
Originally Posted by BangDingOw
(Post 3018705)
All this depends what airline you work for. If your airline already has a bunch of cash, take the grants, keep people on payroll, be prepared to capture market on the backside. If your airline already was in a bad place when this happened, take the grants, lay off a ton of people in 6 months, and then restructure. Most everyone will take the grants IMO, maybe SWA wont because they have so much $, but I bet they grab it also.
cash on hand not credit, here it is delta 2.8 B american 631 million united 6B alaska 670m jetblue 829 m SWA 3.8 B Hawaiian 373m allegiant 122 m spirit 979 m And yes I know they can bleed through very fast facts only look it up |
Originally Posted by Sniper66
(Post 3018770)
cash on hand not credit, here it is
delta 2.8 B american 631 million united 6B alaska 670m jetblue 829 m SWA 3.8 B Hawaiian 373m allegiant 122 m spirit 979 m And yes I know they can bleed through very fast facts only look it up |
Take the grant money, shut down the airline for 6 months while still paying employees, then start back up.
I know it isn't that easy, but I wish it was. |
Originally Posted by Flyby1206
(Post 3019073)
Take the grant money, shut down the airline for 6 months while still paying employees, then start back up.
I know it isn't that easy, but I wish it was. There's news reports coming out saying that the airlines will be required to provide a certain amount of service in order to get the grant money |
Originally Posted by Aero1900
(Post 3019092)
Apparently that's not going to be allowed.
There's news reports coming out saying that the airlines will be required to provide a certain amount of service in order to get the grant money (1) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary of Transpor tation is authorized to require, to the extent reason able and practicable, an air carrier provided finan cial assistance under this subtitle to maintain sched uled air transportation service, as the Secretary of Transportation deems necessary, to ensure services to any point served by that carrier before March 1, 2020. (2) REQUIRED CONSIDERATIONS.—When con sidering whether to exercise the authority provided by this section, the Secretary of Transportation shall take into consideration the air transportation needs of small and remote communities and the need to maintain well-functioning health care supply chains, including medical devices and supplies, and pharma ceutical supply chains. (3) SUNSET.—The authority provided under this subsection shall terminate on March 1, 2022, and any requirements issued by the Secretary of Transportation under this subsection shall cease to apply after that date. |
No such thing as a free lunch
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
(Post 3018688)
I appreciate the House of Representatives for pushing to add grants in addition to the loans provided by the senate. However, after looking at all the strings attached to the grants, I wonder if many airlines will choose to skip the grants all together (which unfortunately means employee furloughs before October 1). Here are just some of the onerous strings that are attached to taking the grant money.
The grants are only equal to 6 months of payroll, and airlines are handcuffed from cutting pay or furloughing anyone during that time. That means that we are not getting a dime to help out with all the other major expenses (Aircraft payments, landing fees, maintenance, rent, fuel (if the load factor doesn't cover the cost), etc... That is unsustainable with no revenue. Like it or not, airlines would be way better off financially if they were able to lay off surplus employees while demand is way down, and use grant money to handle other expenses that cannot go down. I'm not saying I want to get furloughed, but I also want to have a solvent airline to come back to. The treasury department is requesting that airlines maintain a minimum level of service, which is well above what airlines would normally be flying. Yesterday, 154,000 passengers passed through TSA. This day last year, it was 2.36 million. So passenger traffic is down almost 95%.https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput . That is why airplanes are flying around so empty. This is also unsustainable. Senators are now requesting that airlines issue full cash refunds to passengers who hold airline tickets rather than issuing them a credit to be used later. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN21I2UU The Treasury Department has also stated that they plan to take equity stakes in any airlines that accept the grant money. What does that mean for us going forward? I hope all airlines are looking real closely at these strings, and honestly I see several major airlines NOT taking the grant money. |
This is way welfare sucks, no matter how much free money you give someone they still ***** about it.
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