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303flyboy 04-24-2020 09:35 PM

For the us market, sorry not ME. You are correct.

https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...133249.article

https://onemileatatime.com/frontier-a321xlr/

C17B74 04-24-2020 10:31 PM

Overall, time will tell and as we see things like stadiums, convention centers, entertainment venues, etc. start filling up with 10s of thousands then the positioning will be in full swing for those who remain. Until then, it’s how long do these numbers stay below the survivable load factors and once those factors present themselves who remains to capitalize on it with the correct assets in place. Like several have mentioned, folks will predominantly flock to their regular carrier if still available and hopefully they are. Business that truly requires boots in the air will push forward in mass no doubt, but it will be interesting to see how much have transitioned to or back to the “inter web” technology and current/forthcoming advancements - this is not even the late 90s. Bean counters have the ear of their employers more than ever before. While the healthcare front has been a massive personal one on one business since the beginning, there now has been vast segregation of care-taker offerings virtually and this was the catalyst for several programs that were lying in wait slowly moving forward until now. Just a guess, but demand will not reach the former levels in the business sector nearly as fast as the remaining areas perhaps. Definitely want to be way off base and proven wrong on all fronts and have many choices of air travel. Thank you for the insight to carrier status and longevity/merger forecasting. Time will tell and this will inevitably take some time.

RadarColor 04-24-2020 11:04 PM

These posts are exactly why pilots make lousy airline CEOs and COOs. None of you have a clue as to what you’re talking about. No More so than the idiot that wrote the article that started this thread.

You all do a very good job of “trying” to play Frank Borman and we all know how that ended.

C17B74 04-24-2020 11:23 PM


Originally Posted by RadarColor (Post 3040865)
These posts are exactly why pilots make lousy airline CEOs and COOs. None of you have a clue as to what you’re talking about. No More so than the idiot that wrote the article that started this thread.

You all do a very good job of “trying” to play Frank Borman and we all know how that ended.

No argument there whatsoever except I would like to have been an astronaut. And that’s why fairly recent CEOs or not have golden parachutes, bonuses and stock buybacks the list goes on and on while they leave their employees dangling in the wind and you as well as a pilot of course. It’s all speculation and no one really knows. Just point to the correct action, mostly reaction and give us a clue. Just speculation, what else do you expect many to do. Watched some movies, ate really well, slept a bit, others post crap while on the crapper (maybe that’s the ticket), but the lawn is mowed, trees are cut, pool will be open next week and this idiot will go fly, scary huh. Good speculation to see what’s on the mind, off to play.

FNGFO 04-25-2020 12:38 AM


Originally Posted by RadarColor (Post 3040865)
These posts are exactly why pilots make lousy airline CEOs and COOs. None of you have a clue as to what you’re talking about. No More so than the idiot that wrote the article that started this thread.

You all do a very good job of “trying” to play Frank Borman and we all know how that ended.

The track record of non pilot CEO’s and CFO’s in the airline industry isn’t exactly exemplary. In fact, it’s been generally terrible enough that anyone not questioning most of them should probably be looked at with suspicion.

Grumpyaviator 04-25-2020 05:03 AM


Originally Posted by Waggy122 (Post 3040774)
To be honest even when you order a cheap wine at a restaurant the waiter still pours you a sample and lingers there until you do the dog and pony show for your "approval"...

I’m clueless about wine, but when they do that I take a swig and spit it back into the glass with a sour face and yell “this is the worst when I’ve ever tasted”! You should see their face!

copy 04-25-2020 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by FNGFO (Post 3040872)
The track record of non pilot CEO’s and CFO’s in the airline industry isn’t exactly exemplary. In fact, it’s been generally terrible enough that anyone not questioning most of them should probably be looked at with suspicion.

The lawyers are the best. My favorite is probably Smisek.

Flyby1206 04-25-2020 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by RadarColor (Post 3040865)
These posts are exactly why pilots make lousy airline CEOs and COOs. None of you have a clue as to what you’re talking about. No More so than the idiot that wrote the article that started this thread.

You all do a very good job of “trying” to play Frank Borman and we all know how that ended.

Just saying...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/frederi...er-at-the-job/

RadarColor 04-25-2020 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by Flyby1206 (Post 3041162)

If you bothered to read that article you’d quickly realized it is full of BS, especially The order in which he categorized relative risk for various “toys”.

kingairfun 04-25-2020 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3040791)
I disagree. Lot's of random journalists talking about how zoom will kill business travel, but JP Morgan did an analysis (quoted in Aviation Week recently) which concluded that business travel will not change fundamentally... this is a broken record that's been getting played during every economic crisis since email was invented.

While Zoom seems like a good idea, I couldn't imagine having to do that as the primary form of doing business. It's fine for the occasional family/friend chat for a few minutes. I find the app. and apps like it pretty annoying to use. Usually a slight delay, people talking over each other because of the delay, video is somewhat glitchy etc.

Then there is also the security aspect. 4 of us friends were drinking beer and "zooming" last night. We started joking about how we were probably being watched by some Chinese guys.


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