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Old 05-20-2020, 05:25 AM
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One day we’ll move past this team sports bs and deal strictly with what works and what doesn’t.
There’s more than one point of view about what works. That’s why there are political choices and why we have an opportunity not to vote for politicians that present economic and political structures that have never been successful, rather than let government try its experiments on us at its whim.
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Old 05-24-2020, 09:35 PM
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Never said you were... let’s leave the labels behind. Nobody is trying to control your life.
Green New Deal, Virginia’s SB16/SB64 Gun stuff, Red Flag States, Washington SB 5339 Delete death penalty and so many others, do a little research. Anything climate change but hey there is far less air pollution now and car accidents thanks to Kung Flu Control so that’s a positive for some. If they’re not trying to control your life they have definitely taken measures to shorten it. You can define who “they’re“ on your own. A good taste of food bank lines will shed some light. Haven’t heard how awesome that is yet and that is a possible and proven course of action for some nations as everyday normal life. Let’s not be naive and ”maintain listening watch.” Freedoms have always eroded for the most part like ice caps - news flash they will always melt til the next ice age. You are definitely free to pay more taxes, but who does that. Freedom has never been Free, try to maintain it on this sacred weekend of all weekends.
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UBI actually has a lot of right wing friendlies. Time to expand your mind. The times they are a changin’. One day we’ll move past this team sports bs and deal strictly with what works and what doesn’t.
UBI has a lot of right wing friendlies? No. A couple; maybe a few who aren't really right wing. Because there is nothing right wing about UBI. It's a far left wing concept that is peddled to gullible people. TNSTAAFL.
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Green New Deal, Virginia’s SB16/SB64 Gun stuff, Red Flag States, Washington SB 5339 Delete death penalty and so many others, do a little research. Anything climate change but hey there is far less air pollution now and car accidents thanks to Kung Flu Control so that’s a positive for some. If they’re not trying to control your life they have definitely taken measures to shorten it. You can define who “they’re“ on your own. A good taste of food bank lines will shed some light. Haven’t heard how awesome that is yet and that is a possible and proven course of action for some nations as everyday normal life. Let’s not be naive and ”maintain listening watch.” Freedoms have always eroded for the most part like ice caps - news flash they will always melt til the next ice age. You are definitely free to pay more taxes, but who does that. Freedom has never been Free, try to maintain it on this sacred weekend of all weekends.
Amen brother! It’s sad how ignorant some are to what you just stated.
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UBI has a lot of right wing friendlies? No. A couple; maybe a few who aren't really right wing. Because there is nothing right wing about UBI. It's a far left wing concept that is peddled to gullible people. TNSTAAFL.
There’s definitely more that a few. This is is an idea that has been kicked around on both sides of the aisle for quite some time. Alaska (a very conservative state) has had a form of UBI for decades with the PFD. This is one of the few issues that cuts directly across ideological and party lines.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...income/375600/
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish View Post
There’s definitely more that a few. This is is an idea that has been kicked around on both sides of the aisle for quite some time. Alaska (a very conservative state) has had a form of UBI for decades with the PFD. This is one of the few issues that cuts directly across ideological and party lines.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...income/375600/
The problem with the UBI is that each election cycle politicians will want to adjust it in an attempt to buy votes. There is also the issue of paying able bodied people regardless of any work performed. Another problem is that it provides little incentive to perform entry level jobs. We are seeing this now with the covid payment added to unemployment compensation. Employers are having trouble getting workers to come back since they make as much or more sitting on the couch collecting a check.
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Thanks WHACKMASTER. On another note, and understand these are just my thoughts. UBI - If all states sprung oil like Alaska, that might be a viable option although the number of homeless is astounding don't want any of that. Folks in this industry paying taxes after working for decades and funding income for incentivizing "layabout" programs = priceless for the recipients = further perpetuating laziness which I believe we have more now than ever before. Totally blame my generation for creating that. Our fault, no one else's, well maybe Hollywood but that's just to be consistent. Maybe UBI kicking in after the individual has showcased at least a five year period of employment. Just something to get you off the couch as Itsajob said. Too many able bodied workers out there not to have some skin in the game. With effort comes reward NOT reward something for nothing. Just rediculousness.
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The problem with the UBI is that each election cycle politicians will want to adjust it in an attempt to buy votes. There is also the issue of paying able bodied people regardless of any work performed. Another problem is that it provides little incentive to perform entry level jobs. We are seeing this now with the covid payment added to unemployment compensation. Employers are having trouble getting workers to come back since they make as much or more sitting on the couch collecting a check.
I’m not making the case for or against UBI. I do think it’s an interesting idea and I think moving forward we are going to have to come up with a solution to automation and its potentially devastating impact on the economy. I have no idea if it will actually work or not but I think it’s worth looking into. My point was simply that we need to get past the point of immediately rejecting ideas that we associate with the other side if we ever want to come up with effective solutions.

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Government controls means of production.
Government owns all assets
Government directs all distribution

Call it it UBI, its the definition of communism and has never worked. Government economists are not smarter than the free market.

PS. Wonder why Bernie, Warren, AOC and others don’t have tax plans other than some talking points when pressed on it? Under communism there are no taxes because there is no income. The government collects all revenues and distributes to the citizens.
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Originally Posted by BKbigfish View Post
I’m not making the case for or against UBI. I do think it’s an interesting idea and I think moving forward we are going to have to come up with a solution to automation and its potentially devastating impact on the economy. I have no idea if it will actually work or not but I think it’s worth looking into. My point was simply that we need to get past the point of immediately rejecting ideas that we associate with the other side if we ever want to come up with effective solutions.
So the fear is automation. That's got to be the dumbest excuse for UBI.
We've always had productivity improvements.
At one time, fields were plowed with oxen. Automation got rid of many farm jobs.
Assembly lines have gotten rid of many manual labor jobs.

I'd put out a list of productivity improvements over the years, but automation is nothing new. Only a rube would buy that as an excuse for UBI.

Finally, before the 'rona arrived, unemployment was the lowest in decades. Now, how exactly is automation hurting employment?
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