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Old 12-18-2021, 02:21 PM
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So if someone is under 40 a captain at a ULCC does it still make sense to start over at a legacy right now?
In my case I just upgraded to captain at F9 a few months ago, 38 years old, have an offer from both UA and AA. The math does not favor the legacies at current pay rates unless I make the move to wide body left seat. I will commute no matter what. I know itís a loaded question with a lot of different things to consider.
Itís a tough choice to chew on, not sure itís worth the gamble just for the ego boost?
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Old 12-18-2021, 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by singlepilot View Post
So if someone is under 40 a captain at a ULCC does it still make sense to start over at a legacy right now?
In my case I just upgraded to captain at F9 a few months ago, 38 years old, have an offer from both UA and AA. The math does not favor the legacies at current pay rates unless I make the move to wide body left seat. I will commute no matter what. I know itís a loaded question with a lot of different things to consider.
Itís a tough choice to chew on, not sure itís worth the gamble just for the ego boost?
You just answered your question with the last sentence. How many years will you see ďleft seat wide bodyĒ and do you want to have the QOL hit to do it when/if you can hold it. Seriously ask yourself how much of this is a financial decision and how much is a pride decision. If you canít be happy flying planes with animals on the tail and need to fly at a Legacy, then thatís your decision.

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Old 12-18-2021, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by singlepilot View Post
The math does not favor the legacies at current pay rates unless I make the move to wide body left seat.
so that puts this discussion out to 2040 give or take.

there is, perhaps, more advantage to a legacy than ego but if you like your job Iíd say keep it
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Old 12-18-2021, 03:36 PM
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The retirement numbers at the legacies will eventually slow way down. And then stagnation will return.

Can you move up enough in 10 years at United to be happy in that spot?
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Old 12-18-2021, 04:27 PM
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legacy and dont look back. You still have 27 years left, would move up a lot quicker senority wise at the legacys, which when they get new contracts will probably blow away frontiers current rates. You also have much better benefits and different fleet types incase you want to switch/try something new. Getting on now you would be ahead of a huge hiring splurge with all the retirements. I would also feel much more secure at united/delta/american longevity than frontier.
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Originally Posted by singlepilot View Post
So if someone is under 40 a captain at a ULCC does it still make sense to start over at a legacy right now?
In my case I just upgraded to captain at F9 a few months ago, 38 years old, have an offer from both UA and AA. The math does not favor the legacies at current pay rates unless I make the move to wide body left seat. I will commute no matter what. I know itís a loaded question with a lot of different things to consider.
Itís a tough choice to chew on, not sure itís worth the gamble just for the ego boost?
Unless the pay scales are way off on APC, itís certainly not a pay issue. NB CA at a junior coastal domicile can be had at UA as soon as youíre off probation right now. That is obviously a moving target, but NB CA year 2 pay at UA is more that the max at F9.

But you would spend several years on reserve before being a junior NB CA lineholder. WB lineholder FOs make about what top F9 CAs make, so there is that as well.
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The answer to this question depends strictly on the commuting issue. If youíre not moving and plan to stay in your F9 base then youíre nuts to subject yourself to that many years of commuting. If however youíre open to a legacyís domicile should you get hired, what better QOL than a widebody FO or captain sitting reserve in domicile?
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Old 12-18-2021, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER View Post
The answer to this question depends strictly on the commuting issue. If youíre not moving and plan to stay in your F9 base then youíre nuts to subject yourself to that many years of commuting. If however youíre open to a legacyís domicile should you get hired, what better QOL than a widebody FO or captain sitting reserve in domicile?

Reread the OPs postÖ.
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legacy and dont look back. You still have 27 years left, would move up a lot quicker senority wise at the legacys
He'll likely be around 20-25% on the F9 list by 2029, if all goes according to plan. Doubt he'll make it there at the legacies in the same timeframe.

which when they get new contracts will probably blow away frontiers current rates.
Blow away? They will likely be higher but none of the legacies are in the kind of financial shape that would support massive increases at the moment. It seems the highest margin flying (business/international) will rebound very slowly with all these COVID restriction resurgences.

You also have much better benefits
Yep, our LTD needs a lot of work. International travel bennies also nice, if you do that sort of thing.

I would also feel much more secure at united/delta/american longevity than frontier.
Eh, no crystal ball or anything, but F9 faired much better through the pandemic than pretty much every airline out there. Granted we're not in the "too big to fail" club but I wouldn't have felt very secure at the bottom of a legacy list over the last 18 months.
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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp View Post
Unless the pay scales are way off on APC, itís certainly not a pay issue. NB CA at a junior coastal domicile can be had at UA as soon as youíre off probation right now. That is obviously a moving target, but NB CA year 2 pay at UA is more that the max at F9.
Pay scales are off. Ď22 max F9 CA is 262, 23í is 270. United does max out higher though the F9 min guarantee is 75 vs UA 70. So it almost cancels out in the end.
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