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Old 12-29-2021, 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
The Children of the Magenta have had a shortcut their entire careers. They don't even bother to get a CFI anymore. Most have never flown single pilot IFR. Building time and learning their skills like we did is out of the question. So naturally, they want to remove this barrier to entry that is supporting the pay scales of the entire industry. Along with airline management.

There's a reason the AMA and National Bar Associations make it so hard to get into medical schools and law schools...
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Old 12-29-2021, 10:59 AM
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[QUOTE=kevin18;3343821I get it, it’s a tale as old as time, the older generation had it harder than the younger. It’s the same thing people in the generations before you said about you. That’s the thing about progress, it is supposed to make our lives easier. Don’t denigrate the younger ones simply because they have it different.[/QUOTE]

Yep.

3,000+ Years of People Complaining About the Younger Generation

“I see no hope for the future of our people if they are dependent on frivolous youth of today, for certainly all youth are reckless beyond words. When I was young, we were taught to be discreet and respectful of elders, but the present youth are exceedingly disrespectful and impatient of restraint.”
  • Hesiod, 8th Century BC

“Our Earth is degenerate in these later days; there are signs that the world is speedily coming to an end; bribery and corruption are common; children no longer obey their parents; every man wants to write a book and the end of the world is evidently approaching.”
  • Assyrian Clay Tablet, 2800 BC

“The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money.”
  • Horace
    1st Century BC

“Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt.”
  • Book III of Odes, Horace
    circa 20 BC

“Our young men have grown slothful. There is not a single honorable occupation for which they will toil night and day. They sing and dance and grow effeminate and curl their hair and learn womanish tricks of speech; they are as languid as women and deck themselves out with unbecoming ornaments. Without strength, without energy, they add nothing during life to the gifts with which they were born — then they complain of their lot.”
  • Seneca, 1st Century AD

“The young people of today think of nothing but themselves. They have no respect for their parents or old age. They are impatient of all restraint. They talk as if they alone know everything and what passes for wisdom in us foolishness in them. As for the girls, they are foolish and immodest and unwomanly in speech, behavior, and dress.”
  • Peter The Hermit, 11th century

In all things I yearn for the past. Modern fashions seem to keep on growing more and more debased. I find that even among the splendid pieces of furniture built by our master cabinetmakers, those in the old forms are the most pleasing. And as for writing letters, surviving scraps from the past reveal how superb the phrasing used to be. The ordinary spoken language has also steadily coarsened. People used to say "raise the carriage shafts" or "trim the lamp wick," but people today say "raise it"or "trim it." When they should say, "Let the men of the palace staff stand forth!" they say, "Torches! Let's have some light!"Instead of calling the place where the lectures on the Sutra of the Golden Light are delivered before the emperor "the Hall of the Imperial Lecture," they shorten it to "the Lecture Hall," a deplorable corruption, an old gentleman complained.
  • Tsurezuregusa (Essays in Idleness), Yoshida Kenkō
    1330 - 1332
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Old 12-29-2021, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by kevin18 View Post
Its more of a supply and demand thing driving those. It’s easy to get in to a law school. However, getting in to a top tier law school not so much. As for medical schools the number of applicants far exceeds the seats available. If that were not the case the entry requirements would be significantly different.

I get it, it’s a tale as old as time, the older generation had it harder than the younger. It’s the same thing people in the generations before you said about you. That’s the thing about progress, it is supposed to make our lives easier. Don’t denigrate the younger ones simply because they have it different.

I know of people who held on to their paper charts until the last moment because they refused to go to an iPad. Does that make them better?
Ok, I’ll bite.

How was the Lost Decade or trying to make it as an airline pilot in the 90’s easier than it is now?

Having it “different” doesn’t mean it’s harder. There is no way anyone applying today would travel back in time to 2001 and trade spots.

Every generation does talk like you mentioned. However, sometimes there is truth in the matter.
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Old 12-29-2021, 11:41 AM
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I think this thread is getting twisted.

The Wall Street Journal article is NOT about aspiring pilots complaining about the 1500 rule. It’s *AIRLINE MANAGEMENT* complaining about the 1500 hour rule. If you watch the video edition of this article, you’ll see Scott Kirby testifying before Congress and complaining that United has grounded 100 jets because they don’t have enough pilots to fly them. And I’m quite sure he’s referring to R.J.s, not 737s or Airbuses.

And as a secondary issue and unintended consequence, (although it should be vividly obvious), giving-in to management’s wish and lowering the minimum flight experience requirement to, say 500 hours, would ultimately be devistating to the airline, (and 135), industry. If minimums were lowered to 500 hours, every C.F.I. would immediately get hired at a regional airline, leaving no one to train the next generation of pilots.

Here’s a link to back it up:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...cid=uxbndlbing

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Old 12-29-2021, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
The WSJ is the #1 propaganda tool of corporations. It's the CNN of the corporate world.
Just another Rupert Murdoch propaganda machine....
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Old 12-29-2021, 02:06 PM
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Sounds like some people here want FOs to be the equivalent of vo-tech graduates. Anybody who passes a drug test can be a pilot in just a few short months...

That'll put the pattern bargaining ball back in managements court for a generation.
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Old 12-29-2021, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ZapBrannigan View Post
Sounds like some people here want FOs to be the equivalent of vo-tech graduates. Anybody who passes a drug test can be a pilot in just a few short months...

That'll put the pattern bargaining ball back in managements court for a generation.
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Old 12-29-2021, 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by at6d View Post
Ok, I’ll bite.

How was the Lost Decade or trying to make it as an airline pilot in the 90’s easier than it is now?

Having it “different” doesn’t mean it’s harder. There is no way anyone applying today would travel back in time to 2001 and trade spots.

Every generation does talk like you mentioned. However, sometimes there is truth in the matter.
I think you donned a storm trooper helmet and missed my point. Marg was saying that the young pilots today have it so much easier. Claiming people don’t have to be CFIs or, gasp, fly single piloted in IFR. I wasn’t saying that isn’t the case. I was saying that’s the way it is. Especially in wrt aviation things have gotten easier as technology progresses. That’s the point of innovation. I then went on to point out that it’s like that through history in almost every aspect. I can’t think of something that’s harder to do now that was much easier back in the day.

I would question the intelligence of a person who insists on using paper charts these days more than be impressed by their ability to do so. Thumbing through those things was a pita and even more so when you had an airport in a completely different place than where you expected it to be because the name of the airport put it in x instead of city b.
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Originally Posted by kevin18 View Post
I think you donned a storm trooper helmet and missed my point. Marg was saying that the young pilots today have it so much easier. Claiming people don’t have to be CFIs or, gasp, fly single piloted in IFR. I wasn’t saying that isn’t the case. I was saying that’s the way it is. Especially in wrt aviation things have gotten easier as technology progresses. That’s the point of innovation. I then went on to point out that it’s like that through history in almost every aspect. I can’t think of something that’s harder to do now that was much easier back in the day.

I would question the intelligence of a person who insists on using paper charts these days more than be impressed by their ability to do so. Thumbing through those things was a pita and even more so when you had an airport in a completely different place than where you expected it to be because the name of the airport put it in x instead of city b.
Funny how the airlines are only talking about adding to their ranks at the bottom end of the pay scale but Kirby and the WSJ aren’t even discussing allowing qualified pilots at the top end to fly to 70 as long as they can pass a medical. Wonder why that would be? 🤔🤔
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Funny how the airlines are only talking about adding to their ranks at the bottom end of the pay scale but Kirby and the WSJ aren’t even discussing allowing qualified pilots at the top end to fly to 70 as long as they can pass a medical. Wonder why that would be? 🤔🤔
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