U/LCC to a Legacy — Was It Worth It?
#21
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Spirit has been selling this QOL myth that it’s somehow better than a legacy for a while now. I work here I know. It’s how they recruit and how guys justify staying. Don’t get me wrong, I like working here but let’s not pretend it’s better than a legacy in just about any way. QOL maybe close to equal some things better some worse. Compensation much worse.
Guys that think ULCC is amazingly better QOL than a legacy or good cargo have never worked at one. Yes it’s leaps and bounds better than the regional/crap cargo/corporate from which they came. It’s supposed to be!
Most don’t have college degree so that they can move on.
Guys that think ULCC is amazingly better QOL than a legacy or good cargo have never worked at one. Yes it’s leaps and bounds better than the regional/crap cargo/corporate from which they came. It’s supposed to be!
Most don’t have college degree so that they can move on.
With all of that said, I love being at NK, we do have great crews and if you know the system, can get a great QOL. If United/DAL called me now, it would be a tough decision mainly because I dont live in one of their bases. If AA called, much easier choice in terms of bases but not entirely sure I would ever want to work for that company again.
#25
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Yeah that's the one, like I said, I dont think it justifies the hype that some people here seem to think it deserves.
#26
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The buy up is also based on your year prior’s W2 so if you took FMLA or EIL/VIL in 2021 you are hosed if you go out on LTD in 2022. Have fun living on $5k/month taxable for the rest of your life. I don’t think most guys here realize just how many Mack truck sized holes our LTD has in it.
#27
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#28
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The benefit offsets dollar for dollar for any future income earned. If you go out and find a job that pays $60k, your LTD benefit is reduced by $60k. Of all the weaknesses in our current LTD policy, this is the one in most desperate need of fixing.
#29
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
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And the fact no medical after 5 years.
So you can have a medical condition that kills your career and then you lose your insurance 5 years after losing your career
I won’t trash our LTD for the simple fact we had absolute nothing of value prior to this, we secured own occupation protection in this contract with a large buy up opportunity. Yes, it’s based on income, but that’s the idea, to help with what you lost. You make more, your buy up benefit is more. It was a gain for all of us, now we improve it this round.
DC contributions on LTD is needed as well.
#30
I’m not stupid (feel free to disagree), but I really don’t understand why the insurance company/Spirit wouldn’t push for at least a partial offset. Apparently they think they should not have to pay a cent for every cent that I am capable of making, and I understand that, but where is the motivation for me to even try working? If I would lose half a dollar of my LTD for every (after tax) dollar I made with a side job, both the insurance and I would come out ahead. Is it ALPA holding out for 0 offset that is the problem? I mean, that would be great, but if it’s never going to happen…. Not negotiating in public, but would have liked a survey question “would you take a 50% offset, company DC contribution, health insurance till Medicare, over the current plan”.
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