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Old 05-01-2022, 11:16 AM
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A "major airline" is defined as having $1 billion+ annual revenue. I'm not sure Breeze meets this definition.

That's cool that you guys are "building an airline" and have lots of company pride but you guys also seem prone to hyperbole and step jumping. This is a startup with lots of inherent risk. Don't pretend you're some kind of legacy because that's what's in the kool aid.
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Originally Posted by 9mikemike View Post
Is Breeze a Major….Seems more like a small east coast old style commuter airline…Seems that a person should expect the treatment that comes with that status….Better for pilots to view it that way…eyes wide open…be happy with it until another better thing comes along….Keeping longevity at the magic five year mark will be a Neelman and Co goal for sure
Go to the last pages on the JB forum in 2005. They sound exactly like Breeze does right now. This place isn’t terrible right now.
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
A "major airline" is defined as having $1 billion+ annual revenue. I'm not sure Breeze meets this definition.

That's cool that you guys are "building an airline" and have lots of company pride but you guys also seem prone to hyperbole and step jumping. This is a startup with lots of inherent risk. Don't pretend you're some kind of legacy because that's what's in the kool aid.
The company hasn’t even been flying pax for a year. By those standards Republic and Skywest are major airlines. Had I listened to one person in 2010-2012 that told me Bitcoin would pay off, I wouldn’t be here talking to this thread right now. I remember every single pilot doubted JetBlue and said they wouldn’t be around for a single year when they started flying.

This whole industry is a risk. We could all be on the street in 6 months if the Ukraine/Russia/NATO/US war keeps heating up.
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage View Post
Go to the last pages on the JB forum in 2005. They sound exactly like Breeze does right now. This place isn’t terrible right now.
JetBlue was a completely different animal…And as a result, they are where they are today. Times are different than 2000, Neelman is different than 2000. Definitely an eyes-wide-open kinda job. The building-an-airline thing could reward the “originals” but very few beyond that. Being in on the ground floor is exciting for sure. Prob just try to keep calling it what it is…
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Old 05-01-2022, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage View Post
The company hasn’t even been flying pax for a year. By those standards Republic and Skywest are major airlines. Had I listened to one person in 2010-2012 that told me Bitcoin would pay off, I wouldn’t be here talking to this thread right now. I remember every single pilot doubted JetBlue and said they wouldn’t be around for a single year when they started flying.

This whole industry is a risk. We could all be on the street in 6 months if the Ukraine/Russia/NATO/US war keeps heating up.
Well... I really wasn't looking for a debate because this topic isn't debatable. Yes, SkyWest and Republic are "major airlines" by the DOT definition. Actually many of the regionals are. Breeze is not by any definition. If they manage to stay in business, they may be one in a few years.

Also the industry is a lot different now than it was 23 years ago when Jet Blue was founded. I'd say the industry is a lot more hostile toward startups and there's a lot more competition at the bottom of the industry than at the top. Everyone considering going there needs to have a clear understanding of this, not just recruiters look aid with "Get In On The Ground Floor Of The Next JetBlue". And since you brought it up a lot more have lost their asses on Bitcoin than have become millionaires. I wish you luck.
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
Well... I really wasn't looking for a debate because this topic isn't debatable. Yes, SkyWest and Republic are "major airlines" by the DOT definition. Actually many of the regionals are. Breeze is not by any definition. If they manage to stay in business, they may be one in a few years.

Also the industry is a lot different now than it was 23 years ago when Jet Blue was founded. I'd say the industry is a lot more hostile toward startups and there's a lot more competition at the bottom of the industry than at the top. Everyone considering going there needs to have a clear understanding of this, not just recruiters look aid with "Get In On The Ground Floor Of The Next JetBlue". And since you brought it up a lot more have lost their asses on Bitcoin than have become millionaires. I wish you luck.
Yea I understand everything you’re saying. I’m not saying Breeze will even make it. Not saying they will or won’t. Only time will tell. But the trend here is for more people than not to come in and try telling everyone it won’t work and to bail. Every pilot here knows the risks involved. Only time will tell. Aren’t you at NK?
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Old 05-01-2022, 02:07 PM
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Thank you those that paticipated in the spirit of the original post, a lot of good information. I appreciate it.
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose View Post
Bonvoyage stated perfectly. The ppl who were super unhappy have left. The ones who remain, see the potential for the company and will be top 5% of a major for the rest of their careers. You wont get that anywhere else. Hopefully the 220 drivers don’t kill the ALPA drive, breeze will be pretty cool a year from now.
top 5% of which major?
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Originally Posted by CLE to IAH View Post
top 5% of which major?
Breezy bois will be a major, eventually.
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Old 05-01-2022, 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
A "major airline" is defined as having $1 billion+ annual revenue. I'm not sure Breeze meets this definition.

That's cool that you guys are "building an airline" and have lots of company pride but you guys also seem prone to hyperbole and step jumping. This is a startup with lots of inherent risk. Don't pretend you're some kind of legacy because that's what's in the kool aid.

Wow I didn’t know Skywest was a major! I’m getting apps in now thanks. But they fly 50 seat planes though can that be a major? I thought that was a regional?
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