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Old 09-30-2022, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by LuvsTacos View Post
Why do people think that attempting but failing to get new rates that meet inflation is the goal? Why are TAs coming out that have concessionary rates when inflation is figured in? Should not goals be inflation +%? I see these new rates when applied to major airlines as a failure. This is the first time in decades there is a chance to pull back the losses and failures of previous contract compensation. Look at the regionals right now, inflation+ TAs being hammered out every week. CAs at regionals are about to make as much or more as legacy/major/lcc FOs that have been on property for years. This bar needs to be raised at both the regional and final level of career progression in this industry. I’m seriously at a loss of words whenever I see these things being pushed out. I’m not talking about QOL here, those improvement are completely separate in my mind and also deserve as much improvement. I really hope I am not alone in recognizing this bargaining power that has finally arrived. A raise is not a raise if inflation is more or equal to the new rates.
The difference is that regionals are on the verge of shutting down due to lack of pilots (especially captains) and the legacies all have large pools and are having no problem filling classes. So the airlines are throwing money at the problem at the regionals and the legacy pilots don't have nearly the leverage they think they do especially as the recession sets in. The legacy pilots are overplaying their hand in my opinion. They are comparing apples to oranges. The legacy pilots should be able to achieve inflation +1% but the 400% raises some regional pilots have seen ain't gonna happen and it will be a hard sell to get retro pay for the time the airlines were on government life support. If that's the goal, they will just get themselves parked until next year at the bottom of the recession when they get concessions rammed down their throats.
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Old 09-30-2022, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
The difference is that regionals are on the verge of shutting down due to lack of pilots (especially captains) and the legacies all have large pools and are having no problem filling classes. So the airlines are throwing money at the problem at the regionals and the legacy pilots don't have nearly the leverage they think they do especially as the recession sets in. The legacy pilots are overplaying their hand in my opinion. They are comparing apples to oranges. The legacy pilots should be able to achieve inflation +1% but the 400% raises some regional pilots have seen ain't gonna happen and it will be a hard sell to get retro pay for the time the airlines were on government life support. If that's the goal, they will just get themselves parked until next year at the bottom of the recession when they get concessions rammed down their throats.
No one is ramming any concessions into any orifices unless youíre insinuating bankruptcies. A TA would be voted on.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Iceberg View Post
No one is ramming any concessions into any orifices unless youíre insinuating bankruptcies. A TA would be voted on.
I dunno. Based on what the boys with hats are saying it looks like their management just dropped a deuce in the punchbowl.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
I dunno. Based on what the boys with hats are saying it looks like their management just dropped a deuce in the punchbowl.
No one has seen specifics, but by the union letter it seems that way. Itíll get flushed though, not swallowed. The strike vote opened today.
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Old 09-30-2022, 09:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Caveman View Post
Because in pattern bargaining, the floor was set this time around by the sub inflation AS rates, and there reliance on me-too catch up clauses. Let others do the heavy lifting was the over arching strategy there.

This set the floor from which everyone else is working from.
Wait and see if it passes or not. That doesn't appear to be a foregone conclusion.
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by BoilerUP View Post
That's not how "negotiations" works, and it darn sure isn't how negotiations works under the RLA.

This kind of bargaining attitude would result in being placed on ice by NMB and *never* released into a cooling-off period.

Looks tough on the internet, tho
Just reviewed the RLA flowchart, again, and thereís nothing in there preventing the process from running exactly like I describe, other than past precedent of pilots allowing it to run this way by being endlessly patient. The NMB has no authority to ice us forever as you claim.

But well done supporting your company during a period where we have more leverage than anytime in the past 20+ years.

And I wasnít trying to be tough as much as effective, but I am ready to go on strike today if thatís what you mean.
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Margaritaville View Post
The difference is that regionals are on the verge of shutting down due to lack of pilots (especially captains) and the legacies all have large pools and are having no problem filling classes. So the airlines are throwing money at the problem at the regionals and the legacy pilots don't have nearly the leverage they think they do especially as the recession sets in. The legacy pilots are overplaying their hand in my opinion. They are comparing apples to oranges. The legacy pilots should be able to achieve inflation +1% but the 400% raises some regional pilots have seen ain't gonna happen and it will be a hard sell to get retro pay for the time the airlines were on government life support. If that's the goal, they will just get themselves parked until next year at the bottom of the recession when they get concessions rammed down their throats.
This, itís all about leverage! The regionals had a lot because they were vastly underpaid to being with and had pilots leaving in droves for other regionals and ULCCís. Legacies donít have the same issues nor do pilots have the same leverage (still filling classes with plenty of apps on file). I hope Iím wrong, but I just donít see massive pay increases coming like some on here do.
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Wow, I was going to say you have a kindergarten education on the RLA and mediation but after thinking about it I suspect you are still in pre school. Please do some reading. Lots of information available online. Try to get your info up to at least a 6th grade level.
I thought Iíd try to speed up the process of getting compensated fairly, but if youíd rather insist on the slower process, your call.

Most folks work AT LEAST 12 days a month, but if a company providing only 4 days to per month to help you get paid fairly-while telling you how much they appreciate your effort-seems fair to you, I guess youíre a better man than I.
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Old 09-30-2022, 10:26 AM
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Why would they make the majors anymore attractive with higher wages? They want people to stay at their regionals, not have more reasons to bail for the Legacies. Remember the pay pie! The regionals took your pay increase, along with all the elderly FAs. Very soon pay on equipment will be the same at every US commercial carrier. You want more pay, join an airline with big equipment.
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Old 09-30-2022, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BLMPilot View Post
Why would they make the majors anymore attractive with higher wages? They want people to stay at their regionals, not have more reasons to bail for the Legacies. Remember the pay pie! The regionals took your pay increase, along with all the elderly FAs. Very soon pay on equipment will be the same at every US commercial carrier. You want more pay, join an airline with big equipment.
If the ďpay pieĒ was capped at a certain size, inflation would eventually push all but the highest earners into poverty. The thing about the pie is, it can be rebaked larger. Its due to be remade, and I like my pie with ice cream.
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