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rickair7777 10-03-2022 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by Jdub2 (Post 3505794)
they did not prevent the strike

They sure helped prevent one. WH played both sides, IIRC they released the rail unions (to maintain labor-friendly position) but then did their best to mediate a deal to avoid a politically damaging strike and economic disruption.

Zard 10-03-2022 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3505828)
They sure helped prevent one. WH played both sides, IIRC they released the rail unions (to maintain labor-friendly position) but then did their best to mediate a deal to avoid a politically damaging strike and economic disruption.


the potential strike is delayed, not necessarily off the table, unless I missed member ratification already happening.

tnkrdrvr 10-03-2022 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3505883)
the potential strike is delayed, not necessarily off the table, unless I missed member ratification already happening.

The railroad unions are currently voting on their TA. Obviously, if they reject it, a strike may be back on the table. If the timeline pushes the start of a strike past early November, I could see the current administration letting it happen. Although, that’s playing with fire.

rickair7777 10-04-2022 05:35 AM


Originally Posted by Zard (Post 3505883)
the potential strike is delayed, not necessarily off the table, unless I missed member ratification already happening.

Delayed until after the election is what I should have said, which is of course the whole point.

Ratification is in progress but it's multiple union groups, so while several have already ratified it's not a done deal. Kind of like if our contracts were bundled with FA's, mechanics, CSAs, and rampers... and all the other airlines. Potential hot mess.

FXLAX 10-04-2022 07:55 AM

Garbage TA rates, what’s going on here?
 

Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3505828)
They sure helped prevent one. WH played both sides, IIRC they released the rail unions (to maintain labor-friendly position) but then did their best to mediate a deal to avoid a politically damaging strike and economic disruption.


They actually never reached the point of being released. They agreed to a TA before the 30 day PEB deadline expired.


Originally Posted by tnkrdrvr (Post 3505938)
The railroad unions are currently voting on their TA. Obviously, if they reject it, a strike may be back on the table. If the timeline pushes the start of a strike past early November, I could see the current administration letting it happen. Although, that’s playing with fire.


The administration’s hand have been dealt. There is nothing, legally, they can do if the unions reject the TA, to prevent a strike. It would be up to congress at that point if they want to prevent a possible strike.

tnkrdrvr 10-04-2022 10:31 AM

The administration’s hand have been dealt. There is nothing, legally, they can do if the unions reject the TA, to prevent a strike. It would be up to congress at that point if they want to prevent a possible strike.

There is a difference between what administration’s legally can do and what often happens. If the union is told they aren’t released to self help, even though they have jumped through the legal hoops, they would then need to sue in Federal courts. This takes time and money.

Texasbound 10-04-2022 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by Caveman (Post 3503863)
Because in pattern bargaining, the floor was set this time around by the sub inflation AS rates, and there reliance on me-too catch up clauses. Let others do the heavy lifting was the over arching strategy there.

This set the floor from which everyone else is working from.

Then why don't you set the bar and show us how it is done..

fcoolaiddrinker 10-04-2022 02:48 PM

Even if some aren’t happy with the rates, securing the me too clause provision helps. If the first two that went didn’t get this it just becomes that much more difficult to secure for the next carrier imo.

Caveman 10-05-2022 12:53 PM


Originally Posted by Texasbound (Post 3506646)
Then why don't you set the bar and show us how it is done..

I wouldn't take it personally. Im sure each of the surviving airlines has done there share of slumming and lowering the bar somewhere along the way, whether it's scope, rates, codes are, etc
What AS has done this time is what it is. They've set the floor. And the rest will now have that inertia to overcome. It is what is. It'll be someone else next time around.

Don't take my word for it. Ask any of the NCs thier opinions if the AS TA is a thrust or drag producing device.

Superviking 10-06-2022 10:38 AM


Originally Posted by RimonaGregie (Post 3503881)
Because organized labor is weak and poorly understood? Pilots are unwilling to take risks needed for better agreements?

Organized labor is only weak because we have no recourse,the government won't let us strike.... That needs to be removed from the railroad labor act.


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