1Seat 1Engine

I don't work for either airline and am not an ALPA member. I know pilots who work for both airlines. Take it for what it's worth.

Your solution doesn't sound fair at all. I think if you get outside of the "East" community, you'll find very little sympathy for your position.

Deez340

I have great sympathy for his position! and I'm not an East guy. his proposal make a lot more sense than what was handed down. Dammit 1seat there you go again with all that "Jacitation"

1Seat 1Engine

Poor word choice maybe (seems to be a theme). I have sympathy for anyone whose career is turmoil or jeopardy.

But I think the message being sent to the rest of the market place is, next time, let them go under and buy their stuff at auction, and hire off the street.

Deez340

That was the point dumb a**! (how's that for word choice) I used one of your words from your previous post! I can see I'm going to have to stick with knock knock jokes with you. geez

Planedrvr

Yeah, like AWA would have had any money to buy anything 'at auction' as they were on their way to BK on their own.

Now, I don't have a dog in this fight, and hate to have to continue to 'educate' dumba$$ pilots, but here goes again.

Once the plan was made for this merger was created (and it wasn't 'drunk dougie's idea), and the die was cast, which was 5-6 mths before it was ever announced, and probably about a year before it was completed; US Air was NOT going out of business, never going to 'liquidate' as the Powers (especially the financial backers) to Be saw the value in making it happen.

And, Duh, let see they got all of their money back on the stock run-up, and let's see, over "half Billion" net last year. Guess they were right.

Also, another small point for the 'un-educated' is that this LIST means absolutely NOTHING, unless the carriers are actually integrated, with a 'combined contract' and THAT'S NOT LIKELY. Was not that likely before the list came out, and now is 'somewhere between ZERO, to NEVER.' As drunk dougie is/was, a cheap A$$ moron, was NEVER going to offer up any 'real money' was only going to integrate the two, on 'his' terms, and in the end doesn't really care whether they are ever integrated. Please note the numerous occasions where he has made 'public statements' (as well as in SEC filings), that they have no problem "running two separate operations, indefinitely, if necessary"

From the outside, looks like the AWA pilots "won the battle but definitely Lost the War," most appropriate way of putting it.

Recently heard that the AAA pilots are looking at 'de-certifying' ALPA as a way to get rid of the award, would work; probably what ALPA needs to get a wake up call. ALPA needs a wake call, to get back to 'representing their membership' or DIE. They have F#$ked up sooooo much in the last 10-15yrs. (ALPA merger policy is a 'joke' and lead to this problem, failure to push for pension reform which would have saved most or all the the pensions, the age 60 thing, and so on, and on, and on).

As I said, definitely hope they 'de-certify' ALPA, if I were there, would vote YES on that tomorrow, would solve the 'list problem' and send ALPA a power message.

Just my $0.02, now 'rant away' but try to make 'intelligent' statements, so I don't have to 'educate' you again.

DA

John Pennekamp

Y'all got plenty of STAPLES?

FliFast

USAir pilots suing ALPA,

Take a number, we're first (ex-TWA)

hangaber

How much extra do you get paid for being angry?

cactusmike

Planedriver, look at the SEC statements. AWA was nowhere near CH 11.

The only windfall here was AAA pilots get to still be flying. They were days away from liquidation. The only thing they had aspirations to was pushing a broom at Home Depot. Now they are whining about a seniority list that has 517 pilots placed ahead of all the West pilots, even though there are not 517 A330 or 767 Captain positions. Captains get to keep their Captain positions, F/Os get to keep their relative seniority and furloughed guys go below active pilots. If that is unfair to you then you have some unreasonable expectaions.

Decertification? Look at Air Wisconsin Vs. Mississippi Valley Airlines. ALPA wound up removing the Air Wisconsin MEC and placing a trustee in charge because a core group of Air Wisconsin pilots did not like the seniority award. The nutjobs in PHL may agitate but they will not get ALPA decertified.

Jack Stephans is wasting time and money with a BS lawsuit that will get thrown out. The real focus is on getting a contact that gets rid of LOA 93 pay and workrules and gets the West a raise. I do not think of the East pilots as my enemy, but they are sure acting as if we are theirs. I do not get it. They picked the arbitrator, they picked the pilot neutrals, they agreed to binding arbitration. Now they want out - sorry, that is not going to happen.

A320fumes

"Sympathy"?...... What dollar amount do you attach to said emotion? If any adult professional airline pilot group has "sympathy" as an integral part of their strategy, then they deserve whatever they get. When I hear "ruining their airline", "they should be happy they have jobs" or " they should just accept the arbitration as binding", I get sick to my stomach. DParker made promises to both employee groups that he had no intent on keeping. I wish that you understood that the AAA pilot group is doing what they have to do, although IMHO, a few years too late. I'm glad to see United's "paper-chase", AA's firing of APA's MEc chair, NWA's refusal to work overtime and the AAA groups lawsuit. It's time to take action into our own hands, not to be happy you have a job. These "I'm just happy to have a job" pilots are the greatest factor in the degradation of our careers. And the AAA pilot group needs your sympathy as much as they needed DParker....not at all.