Your nose is growing. There are about 2700 management people at NWA. They are all still under wage cuts imposed with the bankruptcy. They all took about a 23% wage cut and it is still in effect just like the other employee groups. The group you are taking about is a handful of executives. They are not the management of the company.

Well I would call being among the top 5% wage earners in the country as being well compensated, wouldn't you?

Fuzzy Math
 

Typical mgt math. How does mgt 23% paycut = pilot 39.5% paycut. You said pilots took the same paycut as everyone else. NOBODY ELSE AT NWA TOOK A 39.5% PAYCUT. Pull your head out of your @ss. Typical mgt cranial rectal inversion.

The 15% paycut for the pilots was a voluntary paycut well before the bankruptcy. The 23% paycut at bankruptcy was for all employee groups, and that is what I said.

Do you have a comment on the mythical management return to full pay when bankruptcy ended?

Glad we got that straight ...

They would be the grossly overpaid executives that MISMANAGED the company into bankruptcy in the first place ...

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Bob,

Apparently you don't understand how people communicate today. But, that is not surprising. Just to spell it out to you, I don't really think you are on crack. I do think you are removed from reality. Which is where the comment comes from.

Join us in reality. The great compensation that you are speaking of for NWA pilots is not so great when you consider:

1. Most NWA FO's WOULD HAVE BEEN BETTER OFF IF THEY HAD STAYED AT THE COMMUTERS. (It's true. Look it up in this site. A commuter captain of 10+ years at Eagle, ASA, Comair, ect., makes more than a NWA narrowbody FO. Add the fact that they would have been senior captains with great schedules, holidays off, and at home more, is even more of a slap in the face.

2. You disregarding the initial 15% paycut that we took is the entire reason we should have NEVER taken the paycut in the first place. We get no credit for it even after the company comes out of bankruptcy. The truth of the matter is that MATH (more specifically, addition) works for us in the real world. A 15% pay cut plus a 24.5% pay cut equals a 39.5% paycut. The 15% was NOT voluntary. For you to indicate that that was something that was donated to the company as a gift is indeed crackish. (translation: removed from reality)

3. Industry experts indicated that when NWA went into bankrupcy it was in better financial shape than Delta, yet NWA pilots make less money, have worse work rules and a management team that will take huge bonuses in the face of employees who are struggling to pay the bills. Most NWA pilots don't like any of this.

4. Being forced to be away from home 17-24 days a month is not something that humans like. The reality of the situation is that we not only like talking to our wives, husbands and children, we like to see them in person while we are talking to them. This should be something that the average person should understand in the real world.

Bob, maybe you should consider that maybe an adult is not determined by whether or not someone accuses someone of being on drugs. Maybe a true adult is someone who can recognize the sacrifices of fellow humans without trying to minimize them. If I am not an adult because I took offense to your post that indicated that our diminished pay and workrules were nothing to complain about after I took a 48% paycut, then so be it. But, if the latter is indeed the definition of an adult, then it is you who has a lot of growing up to do.

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A 15% cut followed by a 24.5% cut equates to a 35.825% total cut, assuming that the 24.5% cut was made on the pay levels after the 15% cut.

Why shouldn't a commuter captain of 10 years make more than a new mainline F/O. That seems reasonable to me.

As has been pointed out a 15% and a 24.5% pay cut do not work out to 39.5 % pay cut. It is very simple math, work it out. Where does the 48% come from. If it includes benefits, the pilots took the same hit as every other group


The 15% pay cut was voluntary and was not forced on the pilot group. I do not know all the details but both sides obviously agreed to it.

I think the pilot group presently is deservedly well compensated (upper 5% of wage earners)

Again, prove that the 2700 managers got their pre bankruptcy wages back.

The 48% is the pay cut I took as a result of getting bumped down through 4 pay rates combined with the combined 15% and 24.5% paycut.

Either way, the 35.825% paycut is more than the other employee groups took. But more specifically it was more than the paycut management took.

If you still maintain that the initial 15% paycut was voluntary then I guess the company will have no problem in giving it back.

Finially, I didn't compare 10 commuter captain pay to new mainline FO pay. I compared 10 year commuter captain to all Narrowbody FO pay.

10 year commuter captain pay= $100 per hr
12 year NWA 757 pay = $96

The very reason we should have taken full pay till the last day. Management gave us no credit for our 15% pay cut. Facts are facts. Pre BK to post BK is a 39% paycut...just ask my wife:)