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Old 03-13-2023, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso View Post
In the end I think a merger getting blocked will ultimately be a plus for the greater good. The price sensitive consumer may not even have an option to fly if it weren’t for the ULCC model, which Spirit has seemingly perfected so well. Again, it’s thanks to Spirit that a fare called basic economy is even available on every network carrier now days. That was introduced to compete with Spirit and to an extent, Frontier. I’m thinking the gov prevails here. Just my opinion.

Going to disagree on this one. Spirit sells tickets for cheap and what they advertise to both consumers and the government are false. On any given day, that “bare fare” includes nothing. Family of 4 without seats together? Upcharge to fix that. Got a carry on or a checked bag? Another upcharge. Pick a seat? Whopping upcharge. By the time it’s all said and done, I will argue that the cost is relatively the same as the cost of a blue basic or blue fare in totality. I went to STT on spirit, $67 ticket turned into almost $400 round trip for 2 people.

The argument that Spirit sells cheap tickets for the greater good is complete and utter nonsense. They make money hand over fist in ancillary fees that don’t get reported as part of their ticketing costs. Spirit figured out they could make a ton of money on ancillary fees and that’s exactly what they do.
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Old 03-13-2023, 04:35 AM
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Originally Posted by El Peso View Post
In the end I think a merger getting blocked will ultimately be a plus for the greater good. The price sensitive consumer may not even have an option to fly if it weren’t for the ULCC model, which Spirit has seemingly perfected so well. Again, it’s thanks to Spirit that a fare called basic economy is even available on every network carrier now days. That was introduced to compete with Spirit and to an extent, Frontier. I’m thinking the gov prevails here. Just my opinion.
The ULCC model is about 15 years old, give or take, in the USA. It went from zero to what it is now in 15 years. The “price sensitive” customer will take a monetary setback maybe, but it will still be better than it was even 7 or 8 years ago due to the rapid growth of Frontier, the fastest growing airline, this merger will help them other startup ULCC’s. The DOJ’s argument is assuming nothing will change, nobody will step in and fill that void, which is at the very least disingenuous.
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Originally Posted by John Carr View Post
True.

A serious problem for the “smaller” airlines in this climate.

But those are market forces at work, and NOT government regulation/constraints holding them
back.
lots of inefficient e-175s coming on the market cheap
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Originally Posted by stanherman View Post
Going to disagree on this one. Spirit sells tickets for cheap and what they advertise to both consumers and the government are false. On any given day, that “bare fare” includes nothing. Family of 4 without seats together? Upcharge to fix that. Got a carry on or a checked bag? Another upcharge. Pick a seat? Whopping upcharge. By the time it’s all said and done, I will argue that the cost is relatively the same as the cost of a blue basic or blue fare in totality. I went to STT on spirit, $67 ticket turned into almost $400 round trip for 2 people.

The argument that Spirit sells cheap tickets for the greater good is complete and utter nonsense. They make money hand over fist in ancillary fees that don’t get reported as part of their ticketing costs. Spirit figured out they could make a ton of money on ancillary fees and that’s exactly what they do.
^^^This

Bought tickets on B6 for my honeymoon because they were basically the same price as NK

Anyone spouting talking points is just parroting what they've been told.
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Originally Posted by stanherman View Post
Going to disagree on this one. Spirit sells tickets for cheap and what they advertise to both consumers and the government are false. On any given day, that “bare fare” includes nothing. Family of 4 without seats together? Upcharge to fix that. Got a carry on or a checked bag? Another upcharge. Pick a seat? Whopping upcharge. By the time it’s all said and done, I will argue that the cost is relatively the same as the cost of a blue basic or blue fare in totality. I went to STT on spirit, $67 ticket turned into almost $400 round trip for 2 people.

The argument that Spirit sells cheap tickets for the greater good is complete and utter nonsense. They make money hand over fist in ancillary fees that don’t get reported as part of their ticketing costs. Spirit figured out they could make a ton of money on ancillary fees and that’s exactly what they do.
Spirit hasn’t made money since before covid.
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