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CQKSNT 04-14-2023 02:45 PM

Outlook
 
“I think what you're going to see is a multi-year resurgence in travel that's going to continue," Bastian said. "And I don't see anything in the economic outlook that suggests that travel is going to be stalled.”

-Ed Bastian, Delta CEO

April, 13th 2023

Dear United ALPA Negotiating Committee: STAND FIRM and STAND STRONG!

chrisreedrules 04-14-2023 02:53 PM

Lol. Kind of reminds me of Doug Parker. “I don't think we're ever going to lose money again,” Parker said. “We have an industry that's going to be profitable in good and bad times.”

N152SY 04-14-2023 06:19 PM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3624315)
Lol. Kind of reminds me of Doug Parker. “I don't think we're ever going to lose money again,” Parker said. “We have an industry that's going to be profitable in good and bad times.”

Here’s that statement visualized

https://youtu.be/vAgG9XcrDFY

highfarfast 04-15-2023 06:06 AM

I thought this thread was going to be about Microsoft products.

rickair7777 04-16-2023 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by chrisreedrules (Post 3624315)
Lol. Kind of reminds me of Doug Parker. “I don't think we're ever going to lose money again,” Parker said. “We have an industry that's going to be profitable in good and bad times.”

He might have actually been correct, for some number of decades, if not for covid. He was talking about economic cycles.

The nature of the airline business (exceptionally high fixed costs) means that you cannot practically operate with an economic model which would be resilient in the face of the largest of black swans (ex covid). But managers need to recognize that swans do happen, and need to be prepared to adapt to at least medium-sized ones.

myrkridia 04-16-2023 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3624547)
I thought this thread was going to be about Microsoft products.

This APC, you can make it whatever you want to be!

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-16-2023 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3624547)
I thought this thread was going to be about Microsoft products.

Welcome to Discussion Questions! Your questions are worthy of discussing!

1) have you considered the fruit company of which forrest gump was invested in could have very well been an advertising scheme by SJ during the atrocious year of the colored iMac?

2) do you suppose it could have just as easily been a window company referenced in the movie?

Thank you for choosing Discussion Questions!

Kidding

lost but not forgotten :D

bababouey 04-16-2023 03:18 PM

I have a long career left. The weakening of the dollar and our debt situation concerns me more than our individual airlines. I believed for a long time that as long as other countries bought our debt, we’d be ok. I’m really not so sure anymore. It’s depressing and there are good arguments on both sides, but I feel like the walls are closing in.

El Peso 04-16-2023 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3624547)
I thought this thread was going to be about Microsoft products.

Hey Bill Gates, why’d you name your company after your d&@£?

FAAFlyer 04-17-2023 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by bababouey (Post 3625137)
I have a long career left. The weakening of the dollar and our debt situation concerns me more than our individual airlines. I believed for a long time that as long as other countries bought our debt, we’d be ok. I’m really not so sure anymore. It’s depressing and there are good arguments on both sides, but I feel like the walls are closing in.

We could pay off our national "debt" tomorrow if we decided to. However, that would be catastrophic for the dollar. Also, we do not depend on foreign nations to purchase debt. The Fed is the largest holder of treasuries, and it also creates the currency. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

TriggeredNOTAM 04-17-2023 07:30 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3625133)
Welcome to Discussion Questions! Your questions are worthy of discussing!

1) have you considered the fruit company of which forrest gump was invested in could have very well been an advertising scheme by SJ during the atrocious year of the colored iMac?

2) do you suppose it could have just as easily been a window company referenced in the movie?

Thank you for choosing Discussion Questions!

Kidding

lost but not forgotten :D

DiscussionQs was funnier. Why were they moderated away?

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-17-2023 08:14 AM


Originally Posted by TriggeredNOTAM (Post 3625335)
DiscussionQs was funnier. Why were they moderated away?

I know, true. Because, apc.

rickair7777 04-17-2023 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3625133)
Welcome to Discussion Questions! Your questions are worthy of discussing!

1) have you considered the fruit company of which forrest gump was invested in could have very well been an advertising scheme by SJ during the atrocious year of the colored iMac?

2) do you suppose it could have just as easily been a window company referenced in the movie?

Thank you for choosing Discussion Questions!

Kidding

lost but not forgotten :D

I almost banned you.

rickair7777 04-17-2023 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger (Post 3625363)
I know, true. Because, apc.

People complained. We might actually tolerate a troll account if they're consistently funny enough though.

av8or 04-17-2023 07:03 PM


Originally Posted by FAAFlyer (Post 3625297)
We could pay off our national "debt" tomorrow if we decided to. However, that would be catastrophic for the dollar. Also, we do not depend on foreign nations to purchase debt. The Fed is the largest holder of treasuries, and it also creates the currency. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

Genuine question: With what?

BobbyLeeSwagger 04-17-2023 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3625366)
I almost banned you.


Hahaha that would been an epic way to go 😅

WHACKMASTER 04-18-2023 02:53 AM


Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3624547)
I thought this thread was going to be about Microsoft products.

I thought it was going to be about Miatas. Boy was I disappointed.

MaxQ 04-18-2023 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3625667)
Genuine question: With what?

FAAFlyer is right.
Any nation that controls it's own currency can create enough of it to pay any bill it needs to.
It is one of the bases of sovereignty, and why any national debt should be only assumed if it can be paid in the debtor's nation 'coin of the realm'. (a foreign lender may balk at issuing the loan with that stipulation)

AS FAAFlyer pointed out, there would probably be negative consequences if the debt was paid in this manner, but there is nothing to prevent it. Most money (US Dollars anyway) is just entries in a computer. Almost 90% of it doesn't physically exist.

av8or 04-19-2023 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 3626128)
FAAFlyer is right.
Any nation that controls it's own currency can create enough of it to pay any bill it needs to.
It is one of the bases of sovereignty, and why any national debt should be only assumed if it can be paid in the debtor's nation 'coin of the realm'. (a foreign lender may balk at issuing the loan with that stipulation)

AS FAAFlyer pointed out, there would probably be negative consequences if the debt was paid in this manner, but there is nothing to prevent it. Most money (US Dollars anyway) is just entries in a computer. Almost 90% of it doesn't physically exist.

Yeah…. That works as long as the debtors are willing to accept your fiat currency for the debt repayment. The backing of “full faith and credit” is beginning to to wear thin around the world as witnessed by the countries joining BRIX. The other major players in the world economy back their currency with ACTUAL things like commodities. There’s a REASON that the Ruble was able to survive and INCREASE in value after we got them kicked off the SWIFT exchange…. Cause they have gas and oil to sell (which now we know, even Ukraine was still buying from them). If/when the petro dollar gets replaced as world currency, then what? We just gonna print more paper? Write more checks?

I bet Lee and Jackson had the ability to pay off all their debts with Confederate currency…. Right up till about April of 1865.

The fact that we back our currency with “our good name and standing” is laughable at this point.

MaxQ 04-20-2023 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by av8or (Post 3626714)
Yeah…. That works as long as the debtors are willing to accept your fiat currency for the debt repayment. The backing of “full faith and credit” is beginning to to wear thin around the world as witnessed by the countries joining BRIX. The other major players in the world economy back their currency with ACTUAL things like commodities. There’s a REASON that the Ruble was able to survive and INCREASE in value after we got them kicked off the SWIFT exchange…. Cause they have gas and oil to sell (which now we know, even Ukraine was still buying from them). If/when the petro dollar gets replaced as world currency, then what? We just gonna print more paper? Write more checks?

I bet Lee and Jackson had the ability to pay off all their debts with Confederate currency…. Right up till about April of 1865.

The fact that we back our currency with “our good name and standing” is laughable at this point.

To refresh, my response was to your question (regarding paying off sovereign debt) "with what?" There is nothing preventing a past debt being paid with newly created money. Whether that is the best way to do so is another question.
There are some things to remember when we get into the doom scenario regarding USA debt and dollars.

A. Most of the USA debt is owed to itself, in one way or another. Foreign debt is in the minority. Example: Treasury owes a vast amount to Soc. Security.

B. Country to country world trade still requires US dollars for the transactions. A 3 step process requiring a constant supply of US dollars, which have a high velocity. (I accept the judgement of people with a better understanding of this process who assert that this very rapid turnover of dollars lessens the inflationary cost of short term dollar gluts. I readily admit I don't follow all the nuance of this process)

C. The USA (and possibly Argentina) is the only country in the world that has all necessary inputs for modern agriculture in its own territory. Every other country has to have some sort of global trade to either feed itself with imported calories, or have imports of one or more of the inputs required for their agricultural yield. Which brings us around to the above B, regarding the need for US dollars worldwide.

D. It is possible that a foreign lender may, in the future, demand payment in a different currency than the dollar.
Personal opinion, based on correlation from reading more knowledgeable people than I, but I have not read anyone with the same conclusion. That is, the most important factor in the value of a currency is the perceived stability of the Govt behind it. This includes risk of war as well as internal stability. Unlike many other countries, the risk to the USA is of a devastating war is nuclear. A nuclear war probably would mean there is no longer any semblance of an economy, making this discussion irrelevant.
As to internal stability, until 2016/2017 there was no other country that would have even remotely been an alternative. Is there now another country who could be considered having both a large enough economy and more stable? Until that question can be answered in the affirmative, whether the rest of the world likes it or not, they are stuck with the dollar.

More later if I get ambitious.


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