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hercretired 03-05-2024 07:55 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3777824)
Talked with an AA friend yesterday. He has the next 2 months of with pay. He can fly unlimited premium/overtime trips. IMAX section of the contract allows that. It takes 10 months of hustling and then you get 2 months of with pay (ALV). During the time off you're eligible every single day for 60 straight days. Every single day.

It also takes daily Microsoft Excel spreadsheet monitoring, the ability to 1 to 3 day drop/pick up trips (not many guys can find room on their calendar to fit a four or five day), and constant babysitting. One wheel flies off the axle (sick kid=you gotta be home a week, etc) and your potential 10 months of planning to the nit noid is thrown into the trashcan.

You are eligible to pick up premium, in accordance with seniority etc. You don't "jump to the front of the line" or anything.

WiFly 03-06-2024 06:32 PM

Seniority movement at AA is about twice the speed as seniority movement at DL for a new hire today.

The hiring wave at DL has ended. AA is a better place to be a new hire (base and commute considerations excluded).

If you're going to commute DL has a 2 flight commuter policy (with stipulations), AA has a 1 flight commuter policy (no stipulations).

PRS Guitars 03-07-2024 08:07 AM


Originally Posted by Mythikos (Post 3776031)
......but one of the perks my family is looking for is to travel the world (for free) and Delta has more international trips. On the other hand I'll never advance in seniority at Delta, but they do pay well and all my friends seem to have gone to them. Any sage advice?

I would not put that in your decision matrix. First of all, you can non rev on airlines other than the one you work at, I've used Lufthansa and British Airways with great success. Second, our (AA) international destinations are pretty dang good for non revving IMO. Third, our non revving system is fantastic IMO because it's first come first served (some people hate that). We get to travel based on check in time (and some minor other categories that aren't important for this discussion) first to check in is first in line. So when you check in the day prior, you have a pretty good idea where you sit for the flight. If it looks bad, I'll often change my game plan the day prior. On Delta, it's seniority based. So you never know when a 30 year employee will list late and push you down the line.

Not saying you should come to AA, just that I wouldn't consider this in your decision.

Jdub2 03-07-2024 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by PRS Guitars (Post 3778582)
I would not put that in your decision matrix. First of all, you can non rev on airlines other than the one you work at, I've used Lufthansa and British Airways with great success. Second, our (AA) international destinations are pretty dang good for non revving IMO. Third, our non revving system is fantastic IMO because it's first come first served (some people hate that). We get to travel based on check in time (and some minor other categories that aren't important for this discussion) first to check in is first in line. So when you check in the day prior, you have a pretty good idea where you sit for the flight. If it looks bad, I'll often change my game plan the day prior. On Delta, it's seniority based. So you never know when a 30 year employee will list late and push you down the line.

Not saying you should come to AA, just that I wouldn't consider this in your decision.

There are employees at DL that have been at DL more than 65 years, so you certainly have a point there….

Sliceback 03-07-2024 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3777857)
It also takes daily Microsoft Excel spreadsheet monitoring, the ability to 1 to 3 day drop/pick up trips (not many guys can find room on their calendar to fit a four or five day), and constant babysitting. One wheel flies off the axle (sick kid=you gotta be home a week, etc) and your potential 10 months of planning to the nit noid is thrown into the trashcan.

You are eligible to pick up premium, in accordance with seniority etc. You don't "jump to the front of the line" or anything.

Playing the IMAX game is hard to do but plenty of guys make it happen. I randomly, by dumb luck, created partial IMAX months. Do 2 trips and get 75-80 hrs of pay... and could do premium for 20 days a month.

tallpilot 03-07-2024 01:42 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3778732)
Playing the IMAX game is hard to do but plenty of guys make it happen. I randomly, by dumb luck, created partial IMAX months. Do 2 trips and get 75-80 hrs of pay... and could do premium for 20 days a month.

Plenty of guys do well with it and as happened to you making one mistake in the glide path doesn't mean you get completely screwed. Maybe you just have to fly one trip instead of getting the whole month off.

It's a goofball system but it's worth learning how to exploit it.

hercretired 03-07-2024 01:47 PM


Originally Posted by Sliceback (Post 3778732)
Playing the IMAX game is hard to do but plenty of guys make it happen. I randomly, by dumb luck, created partial IMAX months. Do 2 trips and get 75-80 hrs of pay... and could do premium for 20 days a month.

about 1000 guys company wide do IMAX

6.25% of the 16,000 Pilot force

Sliceback 03-08-2024 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3778769)
Plenty of guys do well with it and as happened to you making one mistake in the glide path doesn't mean you get completely screwed. Maybe you just have to fly one trip instead of getting the whole month off.

It's a goofball system but it's worth learning how to exploit it.

I didn't make a mistake. I wasn't playing the IMAX game. Just back into it. Had 36 - 40 hr (?) limit, ALV was upper 70's, and I flew 2-3 trips and then had 15+ days for premium which I rang the bell on. Fly 55 (??) hrs and get 100+ hrs of pay. Buying the crew dinner sucks... ;-)

KnightNight 03-08-2024 06:05 PM


Originally Posted by Mythikos (Post 3776031)
Hey all, looking for advice. I know there's no clear answer so i'm just looking for opinions and maybe experiences that can help me decide. I'm a military guy in the fortunate position of having a CJO at both Delta and American Airlines. They both have domiciles I'd love to live near, so i'm mostly torn at the seniority, flying, and benefits portions of each. I know I could progress faster at American, but one of the perks my family is looking for is to travel the world (for free) and Delta has more international trips. On the other hand I'll never advance in seniority at Delta, but they do pay well and all my friends seem to have gone to them. Any sage advice?

what will affect your life more, non reving few times a year or your day to day seniority at work? (I’m at neither of those carriers). Seniority is king imo with all things being equal (commuting, based, aircraft type etc.)


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