UAL Application mess???
07-18-2007, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by NoJoy
I have also read over the revised Instructions for recording flight time and my confusion is: "PIC for this purpose is defined as CA/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls"
It would be easy to just list my CA time as CA in a DHC-8 and nothing more. But I have over 600 hrs PIC time in multi-engine piston, most of it as a MEI. Should I also count this? Any thoughts to the confusion. What is UAL definition of CA?
It would be easy to just list my CA time as CA in a DHC-8 and nothing more. But I have over 600 hrs PIC time in multi-engine piston, most of it as a MEI. Should I also count this? Any thoughts to the confusion. What is UAL definition of CA?
I figure I am going to leave off all my commercial 1 and 2 banger time- it'll amount to about 200-300 toward my total time (instructor time most of it, so that is the same problem as you), and that is no big deal. If they question me in the interview about it, heck... I'll just say their instructions were vague and I erred to the conservative side. If they don't like that answer... I don't know. I'm fired I guess. 
07-18-2007, 11:39 PM
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I just finished the app. I went ahead and included the PIC multi piston under 12,500 sub-part. I already have 1000 hrs PIC turbine, but I was not sure what to do the the rest of the multi PIC time. Your right it is vague. I will get an e-mail from them if the second assesment does not match the first.
They should just stick to 121 or 135 PIC time and be done with it!
They should just stick to 121 or 135 PIC time and be done with it!
07-19-2007, 04:00 AM
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When I finished mine, I checked the box that said "have a copy of this app emailed to you." Did anyone else do that, and if so, have you received it?? I finished my app on Monday, and still haven't received it...
07-19-2007, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Iowa Farm Boy
When I finished mine, I checked the box that said "have a copy of this app emailed to you." Did anyone else do that, and if so, have you received it?? I finished my app on Monday, and still haven't received it...
07-19-2007, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NoJoy
I have also read over the revised Instructions for recording flight time and my confusion is: "PIC for this purpose is defined as CA/Aircraft Commander of record, not simply the sole manipulator of the controls"
It would be easy to just list my CA time as CA in a DHC-8 and nothing more. But I have over 600 hrs PIC time in multi-engine piston, most of it as a MEI. Should I also count this? Any thoughts to the confusion. What is UAL definition of CA?
It would be easy to just list my CA time as CA in a DHC-8 and nothing more. But I have over 600 hrs PIC time in multi-engine piston, most of it as a MEI. Should I also count this? Any thoughts to the confusion. What is UAL definition of CA?
I would say that as an instructor, you ARE the PIC and ARE responsible for the aircraft. Therefore, it counts just as much as when you're the captain and the FO is flying the airplane. I'd say count your CFI multi time.
07-19-2007, 08:18 PM
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I too have paper logbooks, but I am a little behind in them. I have all of my total times, all in the same aircraft and position that need to be caught up, but no record of actual, night, etc. I went back through my logbook and took the average amount of actual, night, etc. with the same type of flying and made a spreadsheet to figure out the average amount of actual/night time per hour. Should I try to put in the time as I have previously, or just make one total entry at the bottom of the page with a foot note? I am pretty conservative with what I will log as actual time (only in departure or arrival phase), so my totals will be less than most. I think it is kind of ridiculous that it would matter after being at a 121 carrier for 7 plus years, but I can see the weed out factor as well.
07-19-2007, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Trogol
Uniteds interview is very confrontational. It's part of their persona and their application process lends itself well to that mentality. Right or wrong it is how they do it. What's funny is however anal they are with their flight times you can get a job with a GED or as a foreigner!!! So as long as you can do 5th grade math or speak basic english you are qualified.
do the application...then a seperate set of "united logbooks" that match...
tuheeeeheeeheee....
07-19-2007, 10:04 PM
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Hi!
Utah CRJ Pilot: UAL is known for being a stickler with logbooks and time. I assume they won't change now.
First, get and electronic logbook and put all your data in it. When you're done, print it up. Keep the elec logbook up to date and printe additional pages as needed. This will solve the problem of the inst and night time that wasn't logged properly. Whatever you do, don't bring that old handwritten logbook with all those corrections in.
Next, log night whenever it's night, and inst whenever you're IMC ALL the time during your flights, not just the arrival/departure phase.
There is some variation on logging inst time. What I do is look out the window. If I can maintain control of the plane it is VMC. If I have to use the instruments to tell which side is up, it's IMC.
Good luck!
cliff
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Utah CRJ Pilot: UAL is known for being a stickler with logbooks and time. I assume they won't change now.
First, get and electronic logbook and put all your data in it. When you're done, print it up. Keep the elec logbook up to date and printe additional pages as needed. This will solve the problem of the inst and night time that wasn't logged properly. Whatever you do, don't bring that old handwritten logbook with all those corrections in.
Next, log night whenever it's night, and inst whenever you're IMC ALL the time during your flights, not just the arrival/departure phase.
There is some variation on logging inst time. What I do is look out the window. If I can maintain control of the plane it is VMC. If I have to use the instruments to tell which side is up, it's IMC.
Good luck!
cliff
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07-20-2007, 03:15 AM
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I would say don't leave out any time.
Pre 9/11, "I see you have 100 more hours jet PIC in your logbook than you put on your application. I'm sorry, thanks for coming."
Don't think you can fudge your way through about discrepancies, unless time have changed.
Pre 9/11, "I see you have 100 more hours jet PIC in your logbook than you put on your application. I'm sorry, thanks for coming."
Don't think you can fudge your way through about discrepancies, unless time have changed.
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