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m3113n1a1 08-29-2024 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DryClutch (Post 3832892)
Just curious, you think it's not a realistic option because of the current real estate market? Which I completely understand, i've got a buddy at an ACMI, 76 CA who can't afford to get into a home in ATL. We built our house new 11 years ago for $500K'ish, it would now sell for $1.3M on our street. And it's nothing insane, relatively standard 4/3 around 3,000 sq ft on a 1/3 of an acre. And people are still buying these places 2 days after going on the market, for over asking. Young couples too, I don't know where they get this money from.

Yes, mostly this. For me it's cheaper to rent currently.. significantly. Now long term (10+ years), it's hard to tell, but I also don't want to commit to a house for 10 years right now. The key is that if you are renting, you need to be investing your savings. Long term real estate is a good investment and the cheap leverage the common man can get with low rate mortgages does amplify it, but it's not all rainbows like some people who push the "American dream" like to insinuate.

My dad used to tell me "I wish I bought a house sooner.. it was the best investment I ever made." And I would say "yeah, but it's the ONLY investment you ever made (he had a pension)."

ThumbsUp 08-29-2024 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3832916)
I'll emphasize this. You can just go head down, nose to the grindstone and blindly accumulate savings and wealth when you're young.

But approaching age 50 (maybe sooner if you hit max contribution limits) you'll definitely want a professional to look at your situation holistically. Fee only, not somebody with a financial product to sell, and they need to be local in your state to address your specific tax situation.

The point of this, now that you have wealth, is to ensure that you don't waste any wealth or opportunity by mismanaging investments, taxes, social security, etc. For example you may need to reduce 401k savings late in your career, to avoid excess RMD's and associated tax in retirement.

Not to mention the products that you have available to you. Generally, qualified purchasers/accredited investors have far better options available to them that they are not able to purchase through retail brokerages directly, like hedge funds, etc. While you might pay someone to access these investments, the trade off in gains/tax-efficiency outweighs those fees.

sailingfun 08-30-2024 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3832917)
Day trips generally go senior, often very senior. Nice if you live close, like them, and can hold them.

But not really a valid proposition for most pilots to tell them "just fly turns".

If the question is "how do I spend more time at home after my wife retires at age 60?", then turns might be the answer.

You don't have to be senior at a major airline to fly turns. You need to be senior in your category. The last few years that has taken place quickly.

AF OneWire 08-30-2024 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3832978)
Not to mention the products that you have available to you. Generally, qualified purchasers/accredited investors have far better options available to them that they are not able to purchase through retail brokerages directly, like hedge funds, etc. While you might pay someone to access these investments, the trade off in gains/tax-efficiency outweighs those fees.

Hedge funds almost always underperform index funds, and are less tax efficient. The only people who have any investing advantage are the spouses of Congressmen.

As a pilot at a major airline you have outstanding retirement vehicles. If you haven’t saved enough for retirement it’s a you (spending) problem.

ClncClarence 08-31-2024 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3833378)
You don't have to be senior at a major airline to fly turns. You need to be senior in your category. The last few years that has taken place quickly.

I’d argue you don’t even need to be senior in your category, you just need to know how to use the system.

I’m 80% in my seat and I could fly only day turns Mon-Fri every month if I wanted.

DryClutch 08-31-2024 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ClncClarence (Post 3833465)
I’d argue you don’t even need to be senior in your category, you just need to know how to use the system.

I’m 80% in my seat and I could fly only day turns Mon-Fri every month if I wanted.

I'm honestly curious, since 80% isn't really that senior, what sort of system manipulation are you doing to only get day turns during the week? I'm not sure i've ever seen a junior'ish guy with only day turns on their sked

NoDeskJob 08-31-2024 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DryClutch (Post 3833504)
I'm honestly curious, since 80% isn't really that senior, what sort of system manipulation are you doing to only get day turns during the week? I'm not sure i've ever seen a junior'ish guy with only day turns on their sked

if I had to guess he is NYC based at a Legacy, or works for Allegiant.

There are a lot of commuters into NYC, so at DL the day turns go more junior than at other bases

CX500T 08-31-2024 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by NoDeskJob (Post 3833545)
if I had to guess he is NYC based at a Legacy, or works for Allegiant.

There are a lot of commuters into NYC, so at DL the day turns go more junior than at other bases

I live in base and hate day turns. The less times I have to drive the Van Wyck a month the better.

I'm also that weirdo that loves EWR trips, but I live in NJ and am too junior to hold them. When I was a commuter I hated EWR trips.

ClncClarence 08-31-2024 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by DryClutch (Post 3833504)
I'm honestly curious, since 80% isn't really that senior, what sort of system manipulation are you doing to only get day turns during the week? I'm not sure i've ever seen a junior'ish guy with only day turns on their sked

AA Miami Bus FO live in base.

I’m not manipulating anything, but I use TTS and DOTC constantly. We just had a union email the other day that said only 40% of the crewforce uses our trip trade system, so there’s plenty that can do what I do and choose not to.

I honestly don’t care what PBS awards me. I don’t fly any of it. I drop/trade/pickup my way into the schedule I want. I usually pick up last minute trips with high credit and low block. IROPs are a gold mine.

I’m not saying I can hold turn awards, but if that’s all I want to fly for the month I can do it no problem.

ThumbsUp 08-31-2024 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by AF OneWire (Post 3833387)
Hedge funds almost always underperform index funds, and are less tax efficient. The only people who have any investing advantage are the spouses of Congressmen.

As a pilot at a major airline you have outstanding retirement vehicles. If you haven’t saved enough for retirement it’s a you (spending) problem.

Are you a member of any hedge funds? Obviously there are many out there, but my K-1s have not only beat the S&P every year, but also post losses every year while doing so. The point of hedge funds is to be tax efficient. If all you have are your retirement accounts, that is another story as they are inherently tax efficient.


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