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I once flew with a very senior cpt that literally could get anything he wanted off via line bidding who bid Xmas vacation because he no kidding said "takes his Xmas lights down on the 28th and wants to make sure he has it off".
no kids. No other family to celebrate Xmas with. Only those lights that mattered. Also a 1600 suck bank guy. Its these guys who create change |
Originally Posted by DogPit
(Post 3946316)
I still don’t understand senior guys with kids already out of the house wanting summer vacation. When my kids are gone I’m not vacationing anymore with the masses.
Not advocating for changes, just calling spade a spade. A summer vacation for many is about making the dollars, not about going on a vacation. |
Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 3946492)
Come on guys, you know the answer. Most senior folks who get vacation over those primo weeks, get it so they can pull 300+ TFP that month. If you were to eliminate ANY OT flying while on vacation and limited them to only TTGA, that pattern would most likely shift. And no, I don't buy the notion that they help reduce JA's. How many red days in ELITT over the summer that one can't trade to pick up OT? Guess who can....the guys on vacation.
Not advocating for changes, just calling spade a spade. A summer vacation for many is about making the dollars, not about going on a vacation. |
Originally Posted by DogPit
(Post 3946316)
I still don’t understand senior guys with kids already out of the house wanting summer vacation. When my kids are gone I’m not vacationing anymore with the masses.
Yes, shoulder season vacationing is better. Leave right before the masses show up in May/June or arrival In September right after the masses leave. But plenty of people do that. Push Europe back to April or October travel and the decrease in temperature matches the decrease in tourists. It's all a trade off. |
Originally Posted by e6bpilot
(Post 3946534)
I would argue that those guys are using their vacation how they deem it should be used.
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Originally Posted by e6bpilot
(Post 3946534)
I would argue that those guys are using their vacation how they deem it should be used. I know you aren't advocating for change and I am definitely not either. Part of the magic sauce is choosing your own adventure as far as working a lot and being well compensated for it vs taking a lot of time off. If someone wants to pull in 300tfp and hit over 100k for the month, be my guest. The US treasury thanks you.
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Originally Posted by RJSAviator76
(Post 3946810)
True statement. Just curious though.... if pilots on vacation were specifically excluded from all open time and only TTGA was available to them, do you think the summer vacations would go as senior as they do today?
The company benefits from having pilots pick up open time on vacation. Not so certain they would be willing to let that go easily. |
Originally Posted by singlepilot
(Post 3942319)
I did a search but couldn't find anything with current contracts at AA and WN.
So about to turn 42 and finally got a December class at SWA after swimming in the pool. Also just interviewed at AA and got the CJO, was told to likely expect a December or January class. I'm really at a crossroads and really unsure who to pursue. My priority is QOL as I have two young kids at home. Ive been a ULCC captain and LCA for several years so we have stacked away a good amount of cash and not really chasing money anymore. Plus my wife makes 1st year FO legacy pay working from home. We live in central/east Texas so both DFW/DAL and HOU are roughly a 2:15-2:30 drive. (just moved not long ago, and wont move again) My gut tells me AA due to the large retirements and multiple fleet types. 3 weeks vacation after 1 year is nice, Long call RSV, no published short call RSV time out. Good commuter policy. I'll take the 737 initially for the seniority boost if able. I know movement at SWA will be much slower, however trip flexibility is great and 15 days off minimum really adds up at the end of the year. Buddies at both places are really unsure which way to go, many say it's pretty much a win/win. Except for being in a 737 for 20+ years at SWA. I've also heard the argument that SWA guys have left for AA, but no one has left AA for SWA. I know hourly cash is likely a wash, but how is LTD at both places, profit sharing, soft time, sick time, etc? I'm sure there are other things I'm not considering that could be important. Thoughts??? https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...164457.article |
Originally Posted by Fly4FunAA
(Post 3947627)
I wouldn’t hold onto the 737 only at SWA argument anymore…the tide is changing
https://www.flightglobal.com/strateg...164457.article Interestingly China Southern is about to auction off 10 787 planes, so that could solve the often repeated argument that the mystical 787 is a minimum of ten years away. Not saying we are making a play on it but just offered as a rebuttal to those who say there is no way we could go that route because the planes are all on back order. Anyway, I agree, the single fleet type argument is nearing its end. |
What if WN downgauges and goes for a bunch of E175s to go to more niche/small markets and then use the 73 to saturate the high yields and their hubs? Just curious of peoples' takes, I hope yall dont go that route.
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