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172skychicken 11-01-2025 10:44 PM


Originally Posted by Freds Ex (Post 3965366)
Okay… I’d like to see the average earnings per day worked of a group of hustling legacy FOs at say 80% seat seniority vs a group of hustling SWA FOs at the same seat seniority. Is it the same? Or is there a notable difference? I would not be surprised to see a difference.

An FO Ive flown with who is around 90% seniority in seat routinely credits north of 150 a month. Which is 170+ tfp. Everywhere has good deals if you’re willing to play the game.

ThumbsUp 11-02-2025 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by JTwift (Post 3965800)
we have some 4 day trips at UA that’s are something like

Day 1: 1or 2 legs, end up on the west coast. Long layover (25-ish hours)

Day 2: Redeye to east coast. 12 hour layover day sleep.

Day 3, Fly back to west coast (not technically a redeye, but lands at 2100-0000 west coast), 12 hour layover

Day 4: 1 or 2 legs on last day home.

I don’t know how anyone building those trips think it’s humane.

Wow… I just looked at my PBS standing bid and for December with a Ban basic ANF command (red eyes for non-UAL folk) & it banned exactly zero trips. Not saying they don’t exist on the NBs, but there are very few on the east coast relative to the trips that exist.

JTwift 11-02-2025 10:49 AM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3965985)
Wow… I just looked at my PBS standing bid and for December with a Ban basic ANF command (red eyes for non-UAL folk) & it banned exactly zero trips. Not saying they don’t exist on the NBs, but there are very few on the east coast relative to the trips that exist.

that’s a 737 trip. And they go junior, as you can probably imagine.

CRJJ 11-03-2025 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by RippinClapBombs (Post 3965438)
I’m at AA. Lineholder VMAX for October in my base/seat/equipment was 94h credit, but I’ll be around 130h credit this month with 15 days off. You can’t pick up open time trips above the VMAX in TTS, but you can pick up trips pilots are attempting to drop above the VMAX. I’m usually awarded around 80h credit with 17-18 off—pick up a few high crediting day turns to be strategically just under the VMAX. Any DelAAys in said month leading to more credit that goes over the VMAX forces scheduling to pull your next trip (pay protected)—which then you can “double dip” by picking up another trip on top of it.

All the senior FO’s drop everything and pick up premium 31xxx sequences all month—which are basically 1 leg a day with a leading or trailing DH. Those guys clear as much are our jr reserve CA’s, but it’s a lot time spent working the system. You also have the IMAX strategy. Personally I think it’s a lot easier to just be a lineholding CA.

Edit:
For the OP— ORD 737 CA lineholder at AA is roughly 4 years (12/21 hire).

Are you CLT320? 🧐

Skypilotsv1984 11-03-2025 06:09 PM

Is seniority progression faster on the 737 vs 320? Especially ORD? Although I guess I could commute to PHL or NYC. I’m a 9 year NK captain and 3rd from the bottom in DTW with no end in sight. Goal is line holding CA as soon as possible to a base with an easy commute.

ImSoSuss 11-03-2025 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by Skypilotsv1984 (Post 3966506)
Is seniority progression faster on the 737 vs 320? Especially ORD? Although I guess I could commute to PHL or NYC. I’m a 9 year NK captain and 3rd from the bottom in DTW with no end in sight. Goal is line holding CA as soon as possible to a base with an easy commute.

For CA? 737 across the board. ORD was artificially JR on the FO side for a while because it was a new base, but it is starting to become more senior on that side too.

RippinClapBombs 11-03-2025 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by crjj (Post 3966498)
are you clt320? 🧐

DFW 320

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RJSAviator76 11-04-2025 05:51 PM

And people mock the W-2 threads every year....

I choose to read and participate in them because I find them educational in most aspects, from work rules and soft money perspective, to individual choices. And no, one size definitely doesn't fit all... People have different priorities... some value QOL and staying home. Others want to put their kids through college. Some others may be behind with their retirement savings and want to make as much as possible within the shortest time frame, and everything in between.

Another point with respect to commuting from DTW... at Southwest, MDW isn't your only choice. You also have BNA and BWI as viable alternatives as well.

Good luck with your decision.

MH223 11-10-2025 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by e6bpilot (Post 3965560)
Anybody displaced in the last 2 years should be home in a few months.

Do you really believe that? I don’t mean this sarcastically. I’ve been doing the transcon commute for reserve going on 18 months that Turbinosa describes. Say they open MCI as a new domicile. Will that really help us west coasters get “home”?

e6bpilot 11-10-2025 08:43 AM


Originally Posted by MH223 (Post 3968654)
Do you really believe that? I don’t mean this sarcastically. I’ve been doing the transcon commute for reserve going on 18 months that Turbinosa describes. Say they open MCI as a new domicile. Will that really help us west coasters get “home”?

Yes. I have been through several iterations of hiring stopping unexpectedly (it always does) and then restarting. The only difference is displacements have never been this bad. They will have to staff any new base, but that comes with a lot of opportunity to move people around the system as pilots upgrade or change bases and free up spots. As long as they are feeding the manning machine, it generally means people get to where they want to go. If they open a base without the bodies to staff it is when things get dicey, but since nothing has been announced, I don't think that will be the case at all.

I firmly believe that once 200 bodies get injected into the system, the displacements will largely get unwound. Once 400-500 are in, there should be zero pilots still displaced.

Also, LAX lines are extremely fat AND they are growing the base, which leads me to believe they are short bodies on the west coast after moving staffing east for the last 2 years.


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