I hope we can all agree on that! You spin the wheel, you take you chances!

There's probably way more pax guys looking at cargo jobs, than the cargo guys looking the other way. I know of no one here at Atlas personally who has any interest of flying passengers, heck I would take a big pay cut going to any of the majors!

I wish you guys the best of luck.! UAL/Delta did manage to achieve much higher payrates then UPS has done. In inflation based dollars its amazing. Currently the top pay in inflation based dollars at ups is almost the same as it was in 1998.

During the ups contract talks the paycutes taken by the legacy carriers was used against the pilots all the time from what I hear. If UAL gets a payraise maybe someday UPS guys can achieve the same payscale as the old Delta/UAL contracts.

It would be good for us all.

Wow, everyone's so bitter in this thread... they should rename this site bitterairlinepilotforums.com or letsgetintoa****ingmatch.com :)

Beware!
 

Even then you could be in for a nasty surprise, if you're counting on a company pension. Retirement benefits (lump sum or annuity) should be in your name and held by solid financial institutions outside the airline industry.

This is true. But as Jsled brought up, United used to pay their A-320 pilots (some of their smallest airplanes) at $232/$158 per hour. That is about what FedEx pays their Airbus/MD-11 which are much larger. And United used to pay their 777 pilots $292/$197 per hour and their 747 pilots $312/$218 per hour.


Why am I mentioning this? I don't think we should be having a FedEx VS. United debate. FedEx was bringing up the rear before, now United is not doing too well. Obviously pilots like to defend their individual airlines, and that is fine. I know Jsled posted this thread because he is tired of people picking on United for bringing down the industry when just a few years ago they were the best of the best. And I agree with him. But lets turn this thread into something useful that can benefit us all.

FedEx/UPS settled for their current rates because they were put in a bad position. The legacy carriers had all taken MASSIVE paycuts of 30-40% and any raise (no matter how small) would have made them the industries best compensated. I have no doubt that FedEx/UPS would have rates above the United 2000 rates if the legacies had not taken the massive pay cuts.

Fortunately, FedEx and UPS are in a great position. Their contracts become ammendable after all of the legacy carriers contracts. FedEx and UPS may have the benefit of seeing how the legacy contracts pan out. Folks at United/American/Delta/etc... are very angry, and they deserve atleast a 30% pay raise (that will put them above FedEx/UPS again). Perhaps then FedEx/UPS can raise the bar again with their new contracts since their companies are making BILLIONS OF DOLLARS each year.
Hopefully next contract negotiations, FedEx and UPS can get "United plus 1%." Or perhaps more.

i agree...used to pay..so get those rates up again so we can aim higher...fdx is attacked all the time on these threads about nightflying...3am departures..etc...i don't take it personally...to each his own...our contract was the richest in ALPA history mostly because 90% of our fleet is WB and 90% of the guys make the big rates...but i hope u can attain higher rates with all the LCCs undercutting you..seems like UAL could not afford that contract even without 911....just an opinion:D...good luck

I like the way you talk...

You mean like it's $347million earnings in second quarter 2000? Just a random one I picked to google. Don't know if they were all that good but doesn't look like they were pulling their hair out just yet.

I agree! I actually like our DC plan much better than our old DB plan for the reasons you mentioned but then again I'm young enough to make it work. you guys were screwed. the promises (DB plan) made to you should have been kept. Breaking their promise to me is not nearly as egregious a move. hope you're doing well.:)