AA Recalls
08-09-2007, 10:12 AM
#5
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Originally Posted by HawkerJet
A TWA/AA bud said he heard Eagle Captains might be moving up to AA prior to former TWA pilots being recalled. I asked if he meant the AA flow backs, he said no, regular Eagle pilots. Truth or fiction?
There was another related grievance saying that there were 1500 TWA pilots who were never trained on the AA property, got furloughed/flowback to AE. Since they are being recalled now they are considered "newhires" and AE wants additional AA seniority #s issued to their flowthroughs waiting on #s. This has been ruled upon and apparently these 1500 TWA pilots will count as newhires, but no numbers have been issued and I believe the AE ALPA and APA are talking about ways to solve the problems so that both sides will be satisfied.
08-09-2007, 06:41 PM
#6
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
There was another related grievance saying that there were 1500 TWA pilots who were never trained on the AA property, got furloughed/flowback to AE. Since they are being recalled now they are considered "newhires" and AE wants additional AA seniority #s issued to their flowthroughs waiting on #s. This has been ruled upon and apparently these 1500 TWA pilots will count as newhires, but no numbers have been issued and I believe the AE ALPA and APA are talking about ways to solve the problems so that both sides will be satisfied.
08-10-2007, 05:05 AM
#8
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Heres a better explanation than I could come up with, copied from FI:
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...=101876&page=2
http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthr...=101876&page=2
Actually, both the TWA number generation grievance and the recall in seniority order grievances have already been heard by arbitrator LaRocco. He has already made his opinion and order on the TWA number generation grievance.
He never said the TWA LLC pilots were "new hires". He said that the positions that they are being recalled to are "new hire positions" as defined in Supp W/Letter 3. As such the Eagle pilots with AA seniority numbers will be called to class with them in AA seniority order. Additionally, Eagle pilots who elected flow through but were never given an AA seniority number because there were no new hire positions will be assigned AA numbers at 50% of the recalls of non AA-trained ex TWA-LLC pilots.
LaRocco asked AMR, APA, and ALPA to determine where the line is for "new hire positions". He also warned them that his opinion on the recall in seniority order grievance would be better addressed in a joint remedy while together determining the point of new hire positions. Like most arbitrators, they don't want to decide for the parties.
It won't be a while. It will be resolved fairly quickly. Any of the four parties can ask LaRocco to determine the point of "new hire positions" right now. There was a 60-day waiting period, which has already passed. As long as the negotiations are progressing, no one will ask for a ruling.
Not including any FIS the first non AA-trained ex TWA LLC pilot has starts class this month. The Eagle pilots with AA numbers ahead of them will be retro protected for pay and retirement.
The un-real AA numbers that Eagle pilots hold are about to become very real.
He never said the TWA LLC pilots were "new hires". He said that the positions that they are being recalled to are "new hire positions" as defined in Supp W/Letter 3. As such the Eagle pilots with AA seniority numbers will be called to class with them in AA seniority order. Additionally, Eagle pilots who elected flow through but were never given an AA seniority number because there were no new hire positions will be assigned AA numbers at 50% of the recalls of non AA-trained ex TWA-LLC pilots.
LaRocco asked AMR, APA, and ALPA to determine where the line is for "new hire positions". He also warned them that his opinion on the recall in seniority order grievance would be better addressed in a joint remedy while together determining the point of new hire positions. Like most arbitrators, they don't want to decide for the parties.
It won't be a while. It will be resolved fairly quickly. Any of the four parties can ask LaRocco to determine the point of "new hire positions" right now. There was a 60-day waiting period, which has already passed. As long as the negotiations are progressing, no one will ask for a ruling.
Not including any FIS the first non AA-trained ex TWA LLC pilot has starts class this month. The Eagle pilots with AA numbers ahead of them will be retro protected for pay and retirement.
The un-real AA numbers that Eagle pilots hold are about to become very real.
08-10-2007, 05:24 AM
#9
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By the numbers
Originally Posted by N2rotation
How many still remain furloughed at AA? At the 50/month rate when will they all be back?
Deferred: 371
Recalled: 377
Quit/not coming back: 76
Still furloughed: 2451
Total not yet called: 2080
presumably, the deeper we go into the list, the number of pilots not coming back will increase. 50/month is close to the max in terms of how fast the school house can train pilots, maybe 60/month. So math wise it should be 48-50 months, not counting age 65, or APA signing a contract that eliminates jobs.
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