Hi Eric Stratton, damn glad to meet you. Your reply is self serving and therefore nobody is going to walk your crap in. however I am nice guy and if you PM me I'll be sure to help you out. Go to a lame airinc seminar. Tell them that you cannot get anyone to walk your stuff in. Good luck, sniveling gets you nowhere.

RE; Letters of recommendation. I was using CAL as an example, since it was the thread. I'm aware that DAL, SWA, FEDEX, UPS, etc. also tend to rely on or require recommendations. I don't think I'm lazy, I was just trying to make a point; I have good, very long term friends whom I've flown with at DAL, UAL, AWA/USAIRWAYS, ATA, FedEx, SWA, family at FedEx and ex-coworkers at SWA, CAL, Cathay, & Allegiant. I'm also aware that corporate flying (and some corporations in general) do the same. I'm not denying I haven't had a friend walk in a resume. True, it does show initiative to try and find someone to get you a recommendation, but sometimes someone's got to wonder how narrow that initiative might be. That person "knew" the other for how long? Under what circumstances? The jump-seat? An afternoon barbecue? But that's a better situation than someone with better experience or qualifications? I still think its a less than fair situation. When the US military starts this for new pilots, I wonder if its still a good thing.

chazbird you can't introduce logic into this discussion. it'll only make people's head hurt....:D

exactly how is this self serving??? why do you think that no one would walk my stuff in, that hurts, a little, well maybe not. I've had my stuff walked in and walked others in too. I just think that too much weight is put on letter's than actual experience. I've done the lame air inc. seminar. what a joke that was. only 3 interviews scheduled and a job out of it. pathetic, total waste of money.

tell me who you work for and I'll let you know if I need help...

ps damn glad to meet you too....and never under estimate a good snivel

Chaz - here's the bottom line. You're exactly right...in that the "quality" of the rec also plays a major part. Any company worth their salt is going to question an internal rec if that is from a chance encounter at a barbque. And these major's like FDX, CAL, DAL, etc...see right through the bullsh*t. I'll give you my example. I had only one internal guy with CAL...however, he was a fellow military bubba in my squadron and I had flown with the guy on multiple occasions. He wrote me a solid letter and went to the CP for me in IAH. Case closed. On the flipside, there are dudes with multiple letters of rec that have never flown with their sponsors, but just happen to know them from family ties or as friends/acquantinces. There still trying. I know you get my drift. And thank you for being professional on here - very much unlike Eric Stratton.

Hey clown, it's the quality of the rec as well. Dude, give me a break - all the major's see right through the bullsh*t letters of rec.

And thanks for the congrats - I actually know about 15 guys at 7 different majors. Oh by the way, I also have flown jets in the USAF for 7 years...that seemed to help slightly.

by the way, congratulations to you for being an d*ck.

Wow, I'm going to quit starting threads! I seem to draw out controversy :) What was this thread about anyway?

does titto need a tissue???

stop acting like you weren't throwing stones earlier at chazbird. Saying he might be lazy and calling a spade a spade and my personal favorite "that's a fact, Jack". (hope you don't mind I used it too)

How far do you think that 7 years of USAF would have gotten you without the internal rec and your 15 friends. According to my internal source you wouldn't have gotten a second thought and that's a shame.

don't kid yourself not all majors see through all bs letters of rec if they are written correctly.

in regards to your last comment I'll leave you with some of my favorite clown comments

I know you are but what am I...or takes one to know one....

now lighten up chachi