Alaska and Southwest
08-22-2007, 03:44 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Rocket Bob
Take the class at Alaska and wait for Southwest to call you. Southwest may call you in six months, or it could take a year or a whole lot longer. You may go to AS and find out you really like it there, and decide to stay on. Maybe Southwest decides to buy Alaska while you're there, then what? Crazy industry, do what's best for you and your family.
08-22-2007, 05:08 PM
#22
New boss = Old boss
Joined APC: Mar 2005
Position: Ca B737
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Originally Posted by myoface
Mike734, what do you think AS would say when they see a 737 type rating on my cert on the first day of class? I interviewed and did not have it, but got it shortly after my interview there when I learned that I had been selected by WN. Will they freak out about that?
Originally Posted by Green Banana
ALK will not care that you have a 737 type now. You are hired. The next time that you will take the license out of your pocket is after you pass your sim and get your fancy 737SIC on it. Just before you take the sim, tell the instructor you already have a type. He will not care, he is a line pilot, he has nothing to do with the hiring process. The company has already sunk $30,000 into you.
PS, it is good training and great people. Nowhere to go but up from here.
PS, it is good training and great people. Nowhere to go but up from here.
Originally Posted by BZNpilot248
Well, CEO's get tens of millions in annual bonuses from the board of directors or sharholders from their respective companies to "retain their management talent" and keep them from jumping ship in short order or some BS like that - maybe its time that sentiment gets passed onto pilots! Business is business. Some Food for thought....
08-22-2007, 07:16 PM
#24
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Position: 737 CA MIA
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Originally Posted by Eskimo Jet
Myoface,
Don't worry about the guys who wrote you letters, it will not affect their careers. Take the job at AK if you enjoy working there, stay. If not take the job at SW. Do what is best for YOU.
Don't worry about the guys who wrote you letters, it will not affect their careers. Take the job at AK if you enjoy working there, stay. If not take the job at SW. Do what is best for YOU.
The one's that vouched for you used their "Silver Bullet" they will never ever be able to "Vouch" for anyone again...
Obviously, you were not a true friend to someone you asked a favor for.
There are Thousands of Pilots who'd love to work for AS...you apparently don't think so...
Maybe you should wait for the SWA Class.
I'd be really ****ed if i bent over backwards to get a "Friend" on at American and then he decided to go to JetBlue (for example)
I have 2 friends that are CA's at AS, I believe they said it is called "Silver Bullet"
Shame on you Dude.
08-22-2007, 07:48 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by 7576FO
Shame on you Dude.
You've been given excellent advice on here, (except for Elizabeth Taylor above). Do what you think is best as you can't go wrong at either carrier.
08-22-2007, 08:05 PM
#26
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Position: Ca B737
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Originally Posted by 757Driver
Oh please. Skip the drama. This guy must be a new-hire to speak like that.
You've been given excellent advice on here, (except for Elizabeth Taylor above). Do what you think is best as you can't go wrong at either carrier.
You've been given excellent advice on here, (except for Elizabeth Taylor above). Do what you think is best as you can't go wrong at either carrier.
08-22-2007, 08:49 PM
#27
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Yeah...no more Silver Bullet at AS. Get your facts straight before you slam me. Are you not the one who told me to take the first class and sort it out later?
If you notice in this whole thread my main concern is not screwing my buddies who wrote me letters. BTW, I talked with all of them about the fact that I had a WN interview and they still wrote me letters. I have also talked to them briefly about the ramifications of going to class and then leaving.
If you notice in this whole thread my main concern is not screwing my buddies who wrote me letters. BTW, I talked with all of them about the fact that I had a WN interview and they still wrote me letters. I have also talked to them briefly about the ramifications of going to class and then leaving.
08-22-2007, 09:20 PM
#28
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I am sort of in the same boat. I am going on year 3 at AS with a spot in the pool at WN. If I was anywhere else, it would be a no brainer. I would go to WN. Right now, I don't know what I am going to do. I really like the AS flying and living in the northwest. Things aren't great here right now, due to negotiations. But I really feel that things (pay) will get better with this new contract. I can't consider pay as a deciding factor since we all know pilot pay rates change with every contract. Right now Southwest is at the top as far as pay goes, but next year it will probably be someone else. You can only make decisions based on what you know today because you never know what is going to happen tomorrow.
08-23-2007, 04:04 AM
#29
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Position: 737 CA MIA
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Originally Posted by myoface
Yeah...no more Silver Bullet at AS. Get your facts straight before you slam me. Are you not the one who told me to take the first class and sort it out later?
If you notice in this whole thread my main concern is not screwing my buddies who wrote me letters. BTW, I talked with all of them about the fact that I had a WN interview and they still wrote me letters. I have also talked to them briefly about the ramifications of going to class and then leaving.
If you notice in this whole thread my main concern is not screwing my buddies who wrote me letters. BTW, I talked with all of them about the fact that I had a WN interview and they still wrote me letters. I have also talked to them briefly about the ramifications of going to class and then leaving.
I flew for Horizon for a decade before American. Alaska is a great airline. I always wanted to work for them.
I spoke w/ an AS CA bud of mine last week. We did not talk about interview stuff. I did not realize they had dispensed with the Silver Bullet. But I have heard Him say over the years how far you (they) have to go to recommend someone.
So to read here that you are much more willing to walk away is interesting.
The reason I wrote earlier that you should take the 1st class avail is just that, it's a class. The other is just an offer of employ until you're actually sitting in ground school.
I don't feel I was being a drama queen, and my goal is not to be defensive.
There's a LOT of pilots that really want to work for AS.
In 2000, I did what I could to get a guy on at AA, he got an interview and hired at AA. He also was hired at AS. He took the job at AS. He's closer to CA there. I don't get to talk to him much since.
16 years to CA at AA right now.
08-23-2007, 08:11 AM
#30
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Originally Posted by myoface
I have just been hired by both Alaska and Southwest. I have a class date at Alaska, and in the pool at WN. What are the ramifications of going to AS and then leaving after 6 months or so to go to WN? .............
While this is a nice problem to have, I dont want to let one opportunity slip away while waiting for another, as we all know crazy things happen in this industry!
Thanks!
While this is a nice problem to have, I dont want to let one opportunity slip away while waiting for another, as we all know crazy things happen in this industry!
Thanks!
I have more "Congratulations" letters than most (AAA, TWA, CAL, UPS and by default AA) and I am still in the throws of an ULPC "Ultra Low Pay Carrier".
So be honest with your friends that recommeded you, be as honest with your future employer as you can be without jeopardizing your career goals and everything else should fall into place.
Good luck in your decision.
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